<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:googleplay="http://www.google.com/schemas/play-podcasts/1.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Packt Deep Engineering]]></title><description><![CDATA[Deep Engineering is a weekly newsletter for developers and software architects featuring expert-led insights, deep dives into modern systems, and clear thinking on real-world software design.]]></description><link>https://deepengineering.net</link><image><url>https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!H5BJ!,w_256,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F736bc1ee-d689-497e-83a8-7d9bf9022eb9_600x600.png</url><title>Packt Deep 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enforced dependencies, and search logic you can test without starting Qt]]></description><link>https://deepengineering.net/p/issue-65-nikolai-kutiavin-cpp-components</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://deepengineering.net/p/issue-65-nikolai-kutiavin-cpp-components</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Saqib Jan]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2026 14:38:50 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/f4128fb7-ee07-495a-887c-b7caa8921715_2400x1600.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="https://luma.com/cppmodules?utm_source=deepeng">C++20 Modules: A Gentle Hands-On Workshop</a></strong></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://luma.com/cppmodules?utm_source=deepeng" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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href="https://luma.com/cppmodules?utm_source=deepeng"><span>Register here</span></a></p><div><hr></div><p>&#9997;&#65039;<strong> From the editor&#8217;s desk</strong></p><p>Welcome to the <strong>65th</strong> issue of Deep Engineering!</p><p><strong><span>Herb Sutter</span></strong><span> could not give his keynote at </span><a href="https://cppcon.org/2026/"><span>CppCon 2026</span></a><span>, so </span><strong><span>Andrei Alexandrescu</span></strong><span> stepped in to</span><a href="https://cppcon.org/2026-keynote-on-your-next-20-days-of-systems-engineering-andrei-alexandrescu-prerelease/"><span> talk about systems engineering</span></a><span>, examining what happens when AI systems can generate large amounts of code with little effort while inspecting and validating that code remains the hard part.</span></p><p><span>Alexandrescu put much of his emphasis on the shift from authoring programs to understanding how a system is structured and how it evolves over time, with managing complexity at scale as the challenge ahead.</span></p><p><a href="https://de.linkedin.com/in/nikolai-kutiavin"><span>Nikolai Kutiavin</span></a><span> reaches the same conclusion from a very different starting point, which is what makes his view worth reading right now. &#8220;If you asked me today to build the same C++ application I built as a student, the result would look completely different,&#8221; he writes, and a decade on he finds that the classes, containers and algorithms he relies on have barely changed, while the questions he asks before writing any code have changed completely. Today he starts by asking which components exist, which dependencies between them are allowed, how each one gets tested on its own, and how the build system enforces those decisions.</span></p><p><span>Those decisions stay critical and expensive even when writing code becomes cheap. As </span><a href="https://fr.linkedin.com/in/sandor-dargo"><span>S&#225;ndor Darg&#243;</span></a><span>, senior engineer at Spotify,</span><a href="https://deepengineering.net/p/fix-this-is-not-enough-agent-wrote-code"><span> warned in our recent deep dive</span></a><span>, a bad pattern that makes it into the codebase eventually becomes the one your agents copy next. Structural mistakes used to stay where you made them. Now they spread.</span></p><p><span>In today&#8217;s issue, we&#8217;re featuring Nikolai&#8217;s deep dive on seeing a C++ project as components rather than files. He previously built automotive software at BMW, and he now writes about C++, CMake, architecture and testing at</span><a href="https://sqglobe.com/"><span> sqglobe.com</span></a><span> and also in his interesting newsletter, From Complexity to Essence in C++.</span></p><p><span>Let&#8217;s get started.</span></p><div><hr></div><p><strong>&#128293; <a href="https://www.humblebundle.com/books/c-programming-masterclass-code-faster-build-smarter-master-c-books">The C++ Programming Masterclass Bundle</a></strong></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://www.humblebundle.com/books/c-programming-masterclass-code-faster-build-smarter-master-c-books" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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because I know more C++ syntax.</p><p>I would still use many of the same classes, containers, algorithms, and language features. What changed much more is <strong>how I see the application itself</strong>.</p><p>As a student, I saw a C++ project mostly as a collection of files and classes. My questions were simple: Which <code>.cpp</code> files do I need? Where should this new class go? How do I make everything compile?</p><p>After more than ten years of professional C++ development, I start with different questions: What are the components of this application? What responsibilities belong to each of them? Which dependencies should be allowed? How can they be tested independently? And how should the build system enforce these decisions?</p><p>This difference matters because a professional application has to do much more than work once.</p><p><strong>It has to remain understandable, testable, and changeable after months or years of development.</strong></p><p>That change in perspective did not come from learning one particular C++ feature. It came from maintaining production code, dealing with changing requirements, fixing architectural mistakes, writing tests, working with build systems, and discovering which decisions make a codebase easier to evolve and which ones make every future change more painful.</p><p>To make this shift concrete, consider a deliberately small example: a grep-like desktop application with a Qt user interface.</p><p>I will show how I would have approached this application as a student, and how I would design the same application today.</p><h3>From files to components</h3><p>As a student, I rarely thought about splitting an application into components.</p><p>I usually started with whatever project structure my IDE generated. When I needed a new class, I created another <code>.h</code> and <code>.cpp</code> file in the same project directory.</p><p>Suppose I had been asked to build a grep-like application with a Qt user interface.</p><p>I would probably have started with the generated <code>MainWindow</code> class. User interaction, error handling, and search logic would gradually accumulate in <code>mainwindow.cpp</code>.</p><p>I probably would not have put <em>everything</em> into that class. Some file-related operations might have escaped into the traditional refuge of homeless functionality:</p><p><code>utils.h</code> and <code>utils.cpp</code>.</p><p>And I would have ended up with something like this:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1AI_!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F452b0a3b-ae87-4011-b6c7-27132ba6a3fa_3200x1120.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1AI_!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F452b0a3b-ae87-4011-b6c7-27132ba6a3fa_3200x1120.png 424w, 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Dependencies become implicit. Changing one part of the program unexpectedly affects another. 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Its implementation details can remain internal while only a small interface is exposed to other components.</p><p>As a result, I can change the implementation of file searching without rewriting the GUI. I can also test the search component without starting a Qt application.</p><p>The important shift is this:</p><p><strong>I no longer see the application primarily as a collection of source files. I see it as a collection of cooperating components.</strong></p><p>Files are merely the physical representation of that architecture.</p><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><a href="https://deepengineering.net/i/214944218/from-it-compiles-to-build-architecture"><span>Continue reading &#8594;</span></a><span> In the rest of the piece, </span><strong><span>Nikolai</span></strong><span> rebuilds the application&#8217;s CMake around targets that enforce each component boundary, and shows how that design lets the search logic be tested on its own.</span></p></div><div><hr></div><h2>&#128170; <span>We&#8217;re Big on C++</span></h2><p><span>We&#8217;ve covered C++ in depth across our books, workshops, newsletter issues and long-form deep dives. Here are the pieces that stand out.</span></p><ul><li><p><strong><span>Design and decomposition:</span></strong><span> Sam Morley on</span><a href="https://deepengineering.net/p/deep-engineering-31-sam-morley-on"><span> decomposition and abstraction in C++</span></a><span>,</span><a href="https://deepengineering.net/p/the-c-programmers-mindset-on-abstraction"><span> the real cost of every abstraction</span></a><span>, and</span><a href="https://deepengineering.net/p/clean-code-trap-decompose-for-performance-physics"><span> why clean code can be a trap</span></a><span> when cache locality matters.</span></p></li><li><p><strong><span>The state of the language:</span></strong><span> Jelle Bakker asks</span><a href="https://deepengineering.net/p/is-c-dead"><span> whether C++ is dead</span></a><span> in the face of memory-safety guidance, and S&#225;ndor Darg&#243; covers</span><a href="https://deepengineering.net/p/issue44-cpp-26-adoption-traps-compiler-gaps-maintainability"><span> C++26 adoption traps and the compiler gap</span></a><span> and</span><a href="https://deepengineering.net/p/clean-c-code-and-the-hidden-cost"><span> the hidden cost of clever code</span></a><span>.</span></p></li><li><p><strong><span>Features in practice:</span></strong><span> Lieven De Cock</span><a href="https://deepengineering.net/p/issue-59-cpp-coroutines-build-it-yourself-kit"><span> builds three coroutines by hand</span></a><span> to show why the boilerplate belongs in a library.</span></p></li><li><p><strong><span>Review in the agent era:</span></strong><span> S&#225;ndor Darg&#243; on why</span><a href="https://deepengineering.net/p/fix-this-is-not-enough-agent-wrote-code"><span> &#8220;fix this&#8221; is not enough, even when an agent wrote the code</span></a><span>.</span></p></li></ul><div><hr></div><h2>&#128736;&#65039; Tool of the Week</h2><p><a href="https://github.com/google/googletest">Google&#8217;s C++ testing</a> and mocking framework shipped version 1.18.0 in August, its first release since April 2025.</p><ul><li><p>Links as a CMake target, so a test executable depends on a component exactly the way the application does</p></li><li><p>gMock ships in the same repository for faking the interfaces between components</p></li><li><p>CMake&#8217;s <code>gtest_discover_tests</code> registers every test case with CTest individually</p></li><li><p>BSD-3-Clause licensed</p><p></p><p></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://github.com/google/googletest&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Learn more about GoogleTest&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://github.com/google/googletest"><span>Learn more about GoogleTest</span></a></p></li></ul><div><hr></div><h2>&#128206; Tech Briefs</h2><ul><li><p><a href="https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/releases/tag/llvmorg-23.1.2">LLVM 23.1.2 released</a> - LLVM publishes its second 23.1 point release, giving teams refreshed signed binaries across major development platforms.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-creator-20.0.2-released?utm_source=chatgpt.com">Qt Creator 20.0.2 released</a> - Android tooling fixes land alongside compatibility updates for Xcode 27, iOS Simulator, and Qt 6.12.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://wiki.qt.io/Qt_6.12_Release?utm_source=chatgpt.com">Qt 6.12 reaches release candidate</a> - Qt&#8217;s next commercial LTS reached release candidate, with the final release scheduled for 30 September.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.qt.io/blog/security-advisory-cve-2026-78253?utm_source=chatgpt.com">Qt patches QXmlStreamReader stack exhaustion</a> - Qt patches CVE-2026-78253, preventing deeply nested XML from exhausting stacks and crashing applications parsing untrusted input.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://cppcon.org/2026-keynote-object-residency-in-c26-the-address-is-not-the-place-laurie-kirk-prerelease/?utm_source=chatgpt.com">The Address is Not The Place</a> - Laurie Kirk presents an open-source C++26 residency library using reflection and annotations for developer-directed memory tiering.</p></li></ul><div><hr></div><p>That&#8217;s all for this week.</p><p>That&#8217;s all for this week. If you take one habit from Nikolai's piece, make it drawing the component boundary in CMake before the code needs it.</p><p>Keep building,</p><p><a href="https://in.linkedin.com/in/s-jan">Saqib Jan</a>, Editor-in-Chief, Deep Engineering</p><div><hr></div><p><strong>Partner with Deep Engineering</strong></p><p><em>If your company wants to reach senior developers, software engineers, and technical decision-makers, <a href="https://packt.omeclk.com/portal/wts/uc%5EcnN2dfNaqmD-kB-mo66%7C7g%5Ef%7Cb">speak to us about partnering</a> with Deep Engineering.</em></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Governance Has to Become Infrastructure When Agents Write the Code]]></title><description><![CDATA[Itamar Friedman, Co-founder and CEO of Qodo, on machine-readable standards, cross-repo risk, and when human review can safely relax.]]></description><link>https://deepengineering.net/p/qodo-governance-as-infrastructure-itamar-friedman</link><guid 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They add reviewers, tighten approval rules, and lean harder on the senior engineers who know where the architectural traps are. The response looks disciplined, and it makes the queue longer, because every one of those fixes adds human attention to a process that was already short of it.</p><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/itamarf">Itamar Friedman</a>, Co-founder and CEO of <a href="https://www.qodo.ai/">Qodo</a>, contends that the process itself was sized for a different era. &#8220;For decades, code quality was built around people,&#8221; he explains. &#8220;This worked because software was being written at human speed.&#8221;</p><p>Qodo builds AI code review and governance tools, so Friedman argues from inside the market he writes about. The case he makes still applies well beyond any single product, and it starts with where the old model stopped fitting.</p><h2>Review processes were sized for human speed</h2><p>The quality system most teams inherited rests on senior engineers reviewing pull requests, coding standards documented in wikis, linters, test coverage targets, and a review cadence that kept all of it moving. Friedman sees that system straining under a load it was never designed to carry. &#8220;Teams using AI heavily are already producing much larger PRs, reviews are taking longer, and more bugs are making it into production,&#8221; he observes. &#8220;That&#8217;s not because engineering teams suddenly became less disciplined, but the system they&#8217;re relying on was designed for a completely different pace of development.&#8221;</p><p>His alternative moves governance out of people&#8217;s calendars and into the platform. &#8220;The next evolution of software engineering is treating governance as infrastructure,&#8221; Friedman says. &#8220;This means standards are machine-readable, consistently enforced, and automatically applied by the agents participating in the software lifecycle.&#8221; The knowledge that currently protects a codebase needs a new home as well. &#8220;Visibility into codebase health and architectural integrity can&#8217;t live in the heads of a handful of senior engineers anymore,&#8221; he underscores. &#8220;It has to be built into the engineering system.&#8221;</p><p>Before changing any process, establish what AI adoption has actually done to review in your own repositories. Pull median PR size, time to first review, time to merge, and escaped defects for the last two quarters, and split each by whether the change was AI assisted. Industry figures vary widely by team and tool, and your own numbers show exactly where the queue builds, which gives you a baseline to judge every governance investment that follows.</p><h2>Standards living in wikis cannot scale</h2><p>Treating governance as infrastructure assumes the standards exist in a form a machine can read, and Friedman&#8217;s next point is that most organizations fail that test before they start. &#8220;Most organizations have coding standards,&#8221; he points out. &#8220;They just aren&#8217;t stored anywhere a machine can understand them. Instead, they live in wikis nobody reads, in scattered PR comments, and in the institutional memory of senior engineers.&#8221; That arrangement survived for years for a specific reason. &#8220;This was tolerable when code was being written at human speed because experienced engineers had time to coach the rest of the team.&#8221;</p><p>Many teams have responded by writing guidance into agent instruction files such as <code>.cursorrules</code> and <code>AGENTS.md</code>, and Friedman credits the instinct while doubting the result. &#8220;And while this approach helps individual developers, it doesn&#8217;t scale across enterprise environments,&#8221; he cautions. &#8220;Different tools rely on different instruction formats and rules become fragmented across repositories and agents. Simply giving AI access to guidelines doesn&#8217;t guarantee that they&#8217;ll be enforced consistently.&#8221;</p><p>The cost of that gap compounds in three places. Senior engineers turn into review bottlenecks, repeating the same guidance across dozens of pull requests a week. &#8220;Standards drift because they&#8217;re enforced differently by different reviewers,&#8221; Friedman notes. And he warns that &#8220;code that looks clean on the surface can still violate architectural decisions or organizational best practices because there is no centralized, machine-enforceable source of truth.&#8221;</p><p>Give your standards one canonical, versioned home and govern it the way you govern code, with changes proposed and reviewed through pull requests. Generate or sync every tool-specific instruction file from that source rather than letting each file become its own authority, so a rule changes once and every agent picks it up. Start with the ten comments your reviewers repeat most often, since those are the rules already costing the most senior time.</p><h2>Mine the rules reviewers already enforce</h2><p>Writing a rulebook from scratch is the step where most teams stall, because nobody has a free quarter to author one. &#8220;As teams grow, that tribal knowledge becomes more difficult to scale,&#8221; Friedman adds, and his answer starts from the reviews teams already perform. Qodo&#8217;s Rules Miner analyzes existing pull request history, identifies the patterns reviewers consistently enforce, and turns them into rules, so the organization captures standards it already practices rather than inventing new ones.</p><p>Friedman is direct about the weakness in learning from the past. &#8220;But like any system that learns from history, it still needs oversight,&#8221; he reasons. &#8220;If a team has been consistently enforcing an outdated rule, the system can learn that too.&#8221;</p><p>Treat every mined rule as a proposal rather than as policy, whether a tool does the mining or a staff engineer samples a quarter of review comments by hand. Each rule needs an owner who approves it, one line explaining why it exists, and a date for its next review. Look hardest at rules that trace back to a single reviewer or to code the team has since migrated away from, because those are the places where history encodes one person&#8217;s habit rather than the organization&#8217;s intent.</p><h2>Agent skills need governing as a program</h2><p>Once standards exist in machine-readable form, the next question is who governs the instructions agents follow, since those have started multiplying faster than anyone tracks. An agent skill packages a SKILL.md file with supporting context that encodes how a team wants AI to work, from coding standards and architectural decisions to ownership maps and review checklists. &#8220;Because it&#8217;s open and agent-agnostic, adoption is spreading fast,&#8221; Friedman says.</p><p>Scale is where the format creates its own governance problem. &#8220;Once skills are scattered across repositories, there&#8217;s no visibility into what exists, what&#8217;s active, or what impact they&#8217;re having,&#8221; he explains. &#8220;The organization&#8217;s engineering intent exists, but it&#8217;s effectively invisible and inconsistently applied.&#8221; The timing matters because the files have changed roles. &#8220;The governance layer is becoming necessary now because AI has turned these instructions into active participants in the development process,&#8221; Friedman maintains. &#8220;When agents are executing against them at scale, you can&#8217;t treat skills as passive files anymore. Governing skills as a program means discovering them across repos, surfacing them centrally, and tracking their impact, so governance becomes measurable and traceable.&#8221;</p><p>Take an inventory this month. Search every repository for SKILL.md files and other agent instruction files, list them in one place with an owner and a last-modified date, and retire the duplicates and contradictions you find. Require the same review for a change to a skill as for a change to shared code, since both change what ships, and track which skills agents actually invoke so you can tell a working standard from a forgotten one.</p><h2>Most breakage starts between repositories</h2><p>Skills and rules govern what agents do inside a repository, and the failures Friedman worries about most happen at the edges between them. &#8220;The biggest engineering failures rarely happen inside a single repository,&#8221; he warns. &#8220;They happen at the boundaries between systems.&#8221; A developer updates a shared library, changes an API contract, or modifies a schema, and the pull request passes review because nothing looks wrong inside it. Another service depends on that code, and nobody reviewing the change can see it. &#8220;The first sign something broke is often a production incident days later,&#8221; Friedman notes.</p><p><a href="https://docs.qodo.ai/governance/cross-repo-code-review">Qodo&#8217;s answer is Cross-Repo Code Review</a>, and the mechanism generalizes to any team that owns shared components. &#8220;When a PR modifies a shared component, the system analyzes connected repositories before the merge and surfaces downstream impacts, whether that&#8217;s a broken API contract, a schema change, or a function signature mismatch, with links to the affected code,&#8221; he explains. &#8220;The real shift is moving risk detection from after deployment to before merge.&#8221; The urgency tracks the volume of generated code. &#8220;As AI generates more code and more cross-repository changes, that level of visibility isn&#8217;t just helpful,&#8221; Friedman argues, &#8220;it&#8217;s becoming essential.&#8221;</p><p>Start with a consumer map for your shared libraries, public APIs, and schemas that records which services depend on each one, and attach it to every pull request that touches those components. Add a required check for changes to any of them, and back it with contract tests between producers and consumers, which catch many of the same breaks without new tooling. The goal is for the author to see downstream impact before merge instead of the on-call engineer finding it after deploy.</p><h2>Infrastructure decides when review can relax</h2><p>Each of these moves shifts verification away from a person reading a diff, and Friedman expects that shift to change what review means for some organizations within a year. &#8220;Within twelve months, I expect mandatory human review of every pull request will become optional for more and more organizations,&#8221; he predicts. &#8220;Not because quality matters less, but because verification will move from manual inspection to governed, automated review.&#8221; He expects the timing to vary widely. &#8220;For some industries and developer organizations this is a 2026 change. For others, it will take until 2030.&#8221;</p><p>That forecast comes from a CEO whose company sells automated review, so leaders should read it as a conditional rather than as a timeline, and Friedman frames it that way himself. &#8220;What separates the two is not appetite,&#8221; he contends. &#8220;It&#8217;s infrastructure.&#8221; The conditions he points to are how much engineering context and tribal knowledge a team has codified, whether review and verification agents can govern standards and architecture, how mature its automated tests and runtime verification are, and whether the organization trusts the governance layer that manages all of it.</p><p>Score your organization honestly against those four conditions, service by service rather than company-wide. Relax mandatory human review first where all four are strongest, typically low-risk, well-tested services with clear ownership, and keep human reviewers on everything else. Let the defect data from that first group decide how fast the change spreads.</p><p>The principle Friedman keeps at the center of all of it is worth carrying into any of these decisions. &#8220;The goal isn&#8217;t to replace engineering judgment, but to capture it, scale it, and keep it current,&#8221; he says.</p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[EY Bounds Agent Autonomy by Risk, Not by Capability]]></title><description><![CDATA[Dipanjan Sengupta, EY Distinguished Technologist, on the boundary that survives model churn and the operating model that gets AI past the pilot.]]></description><link>https://deepengineering.net/p/ey-agent-autonomy-governance-dipanjan-sengupta</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://deepengineering.net/p/ey-agent-autonomy-governance-dipanjan-sengupta</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Saqib Jan]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2026 20:06:31 GMT</pubDate><enclosure 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They benchmark it, track the error rate across a few release cycles, and widen the scope as the numbers improve. The capability curve quietly becomes the permission curve, and nobody asks what an agent should be allowed to decide separately from what it can decide correctly.</p><p><a href="https://in.linkedin.com/in/dipanjan-sengupta-52aa716">Dipanjan Sengupta</a>, EY Distinguished Technologist and AI Engineering Leader for <a href="https://www.ey.com/">EY Consulting Global Delivery Services</a>, argues that this reverses the order of the decision. &#8220;In our experience, the boundary between agent-driven and human-driven decision-making is determined not by technical capability, but by risk, accountability, and business impact,&#8221; he reasons.</p><p>That position asks more of a leader than it first appears, because a better model earns an agent no new territory under it. The line gets drawn once, in terms that outlast whichever model you deploy this quarter.</p><h2>Reversibility marks the line, not capability</h2><p>Sengupta puts a specific class of work on the agent side of the boundary. &#8220;Agents are well suited for routine, low-risk, and reversible decisions such as data classification, document summarization, code suggestions, test generation, or workflow orchestration,&#8221; he explains. The other side of the line carries a different property entirely. &#8220;Humans remain responsible for high-impact decisions involving regulatory compliance, security, financial commitments, production releases, architectural trade-offs, and customer-facing outcomes.&#8221;</p><p>The test underneath both lists is reversibility. &#8220;Human oversight is particularly critical when decisions are irreversible or carry significant operational consequences,&#8221; he underscores. Reversibility belongs to the decision rather than to the system making it, which is exactly what gives the boundary its durability. A model upgrade does not move a production release from the irreversible column into the reversible one, so the classification survives the next six months of model churn without anyone renegotiating it.</p><p>The supervision pattern EY adopts follows from that classification rather than from an approval queue sitting in front of every action. &#8220;As a result, we increasingly adopt a &#8216;human-on-the-loop&#8217; model,&#8221; Sengupta shares. &#8220;Agents execute, recommend, and learn, while humans govern, approve, and intervene when required.&#8221; Agents still carry substantial work across requirements analysis, code generation, testing, documentation, knowledge retrieval, incident investigation, and operational monitoring. &#8220;Rather than replacing engineers, agents act as force multipliers, accelerating repetitive, information-intensive tasks while enabling teams to focus on architecture, innovation, and business outcomes,&#8221; he adds.</p><p>For a leader turning that into practice, the useful artifact is a written register of the decision types agents touch in your estate, with each entry marked reversible or not and carrying the name of the person accountable when an agent acts inside it. Build the register before the next expansion of scope rather than after an incident forces it, and review it when the work changes rather than when the model changes. An undocumented boundary widens on its own, one reasonable-looking exception at a time, and the register gives a manager something to point at when a team asks for more autonomy than the decision class warrants.</p><h2>Modernized platforms still stall before production</h2><p>Most organizations never reach the boundary argument because their pilots stop moving well before it becomes urgent, and Sengupta locates the cause somewhere other than where most postmortems put it. &#8220;The breakdown rarely occurs because of model limitations,&#8221; he points out. &#8220;It typically occurs because the surrounding ecosystem is not designed to operationalize AI at scale.&#8221;</p><p>Data readiness accounts for a large share of it. &#8220;Many enterprises continue to operate with fragmented, inconsistent, or poorly governed data landscapes,&#8221; he observes, and the gap only becomes visible once real traffic arrives. &#8220;AI models may perform well during experimentation, but production deployments expose issues related to data quality, lineage, ownership, freshness, and access control.&#8221; A pilot forgives all five of those because it operates on a curated corpus that somebody cleaned by hand, and that cleaning never appears in the cost of the next ten use cases.</p><p>The second gap compounds with every additional deployment. &#8220;Reliable AI deployment requires versioning, automated testing, CI/CD pipelines, monitoring, drift detection, retraining workflows, and end-to-end lifecycle management,&#8221; Sengupta explains. Read that list against the boundary argument and the two connect directly, because lineage, monitoring, and drift detection are what let a leader demonstrate that agents stayed inside the reversible column. Without them the boundary exists as policy rather than as something the organization can evidence after the fact.</p><p>The practical move here costs a week and saves a quarter. Take the five properties Sengupta lists and run them against the actual data sources your next pilot will depend on, then treat a source with no named owner as a blocker rather than a caveat in the risk register. Do the same with the operational list before the pilot ships instead of after, because versioning and drift detection retrofitted into a running system usually means rebuilding the deployment path rather than extending it.</p><h2>Governance retrofitted late becomes rework</h2><p>Data and operations gaps at least announce themselves through poor results. Governance arrives on a quieter schedule and costs more when it does. &#8220;Security, compliance, responsible AI controls, auditability, and model risk management are often introduced late in the adoption journey,&#8221; Sengupta warns. &#8220;By then, teams must retrofit controls into architectures that were never designed for enterprise-scale governance.&#8221;</p><p>Retrofitting carries a bill that rarely appears in the business case for a pilot, because the architecture that made the pilot fast is usually the same architecture that makes the controls hard. Direct database access, a single service account, and no request-level audit trail all accelerate a proof of concept and all have to be unwound before anything touches regulated data. The organizational version of the problem arrives alongside the technical one. &#8220;Data scientists, platform engineers, compliance teams, and business stakeholders frequently operate in silos, creating friction between experimentation and productionizing,&#8221; he notes. Each group optimizes for its own gate, and the handoff between experimentation and production becomes the place where the work quietly stops.</p><p>Put a security and compliance reviewer inside the pilot team from the first sprint, with one specific job, which is to write down the controls production will demand while the architecture remains cheap to change. That reviewer costs a few hours a week early and saves a rebuild later. Where a control cannot be implemented yet, record it as a known debt with a date attached rather than discovering it during a pre-production review, because a documented gap gets funded and an undocumented one gets argued about.</p><h2>Interoperability decides whether AI crosses boundaries</h2><p>Controls inside one organization handle only part of the problem, because enterprise AI rarely stops at the company boundary. Sengupta has contributed to industry standards work in integration and interoperability, and he draws a consistent lesson from it. &#8220;The most valuable AI systems are rarely standalone systems,&#8221; he puts it. Enterprise value arrives when AI operates across platforms, business functions, partners, suppliers, and regulatory environments, and crossing those lines introduces problems harder than the models themselves.</p><p>His principle is that &#8220;openness and standardization drive scalability,&#8221; and the architectural consequence gets specific quickly. &#8220;Systems that expose clear contracts, support discoverability, and maintain robust auditability are significantly easier to integrate and govern across organizations,&#8221; he explains. The same three properties that make a system integrable make it governable, which is why the interoperability question and the autonomy question resolve together rather than separately. &#8220;Interoperability is not simply a technical challenge,&#8221; he contends. &#8220;It is also a trust challenge. Organizations must be confident about data lineage, access controls, explainability, accountability, and compliance before AI systems can collaborate effectively.&#8221;</p><p>For teams designing against a moving target, he offers a rule worth carrying into architecture review. &#8220;Resilience comes from abstraction rather than dependency,&#8221; he says. &#8220;AI architectures designed around open standards, modular components, and loosely coupled services are better equipped to adapt as models, platforms, and regulations evolve.&#8221;</p><p>Apply that as a test on every integration decision. Ask whether you could replace the component in twelve months without renegotiating with the partner on the other side of the interface, and where the answer is no, put a documented contract between your system and theirs before the coupling hardens. Publish the interface descriptions and the audit surface as first-class artifacts rather than as documentation debt, since those are the things a partner or a regulator will ask for, and producing them on demand takes far longer than maintaining them as you go.</p><h2>Platform thinking replaces project thinking</h2><p>Every fix above becomes expensive when a team does it once per project, which is what makes the operating model the real unit of change. &#8220;In my experience, successful AI modernization requires a shift from project thinking to platform thinking,&#8221; Sengupta maintains. &#8220;Enterprises need shared foundations for data, governance, observability, evaluation, and reusable AI services.&#8221;</p><p>Under project thinking, the tenth use case costs roughly what the first one did, because each team rebuilds the evaluation harness and rediscovers which controls production demands. Under platform thinking, the tenth use case inherits the controls, the harness, and the audit trail from everything built before it, and the reversibility boundary becomes a property of the platform rather than a policy each team reinterprets for itself. &#8220;The organizations that scale AI effectively view cloud infrastructure as the starting point, not the destination,&#8221; Sengupta says. &#8220;Sustainable success comes from building a disciplined operating model where data, engineering, governance, and business objectives evolve together rather than independently.&#8221;</p><p>Two moves carry the most weight for a leader deciding where to put effort this quarter. Classify every decision your agents currently touch by reversibility and blast radius rather than by how well the model performs on it, and give that register an owner so it stays current as scope grows. Then move audit, lineage, and evaluation out of individual projects and into the platform layer, so the next team inherits controls instead of rebuilding them under deadline. Both are organizational decisions rather than technical ones, which is why they need a leader to make them and why they rarely emerge from a delivery team working alone.</p><p>The framing Sengupta closes on is worth keeping in front of any team drawing these lines. &#8220;The future is not about choosing between human and artificial intelligence,&#8221; he says. &#8220;It is about designing trusted human-AI systems where agents handle scale and speed, and humans provide judgment, context, ethics, and accountability.&#8221;</p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Deep Engineering #64: Vijoy Pandey on How Team Topologies Strain As AI Shrinks the Delivery Unit]]></title><description><![CDATA[Inside the architecture of an organizational memory engine, the source hierarchy that governs what enters it, and the decision structure that routes what it cannot resolve]]></description><link>https://deepengineering.net/p/issue-64-team-topologies-strain-ai-shrinks-delivery-unit</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://deepengineering.net/p/issue-64-team-topologies-strain-ai-shrinks-delivery-unit</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Saqib Jan]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2026 16:45:31 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/65a4f9bc-8de3-4497-9a31-6159e3e5514d_2400x1600.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="https://luma.com/agentic-memory?utm_source=deepeng">Build Memory-Aware AI Agents</a></strong></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://luma.com/agentic-memory?utm_source=deepeng" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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You&#8217;ll learn to build agents that remember across sessions and retrieve relevant context and tools using the Oracle Agent Memory Package. </p><p style="text-align: center;">&#128467;&#65039; <strong>Sat</strong> <strong>21</strong> Nov<span>, </span><strong>11</strong><span> AM ET</span> &#183; Book early and save <strong>40%</strong></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://luma.com/agentic-memory?utm_source=deepeng&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Save your seat&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://luma.com/agentic-memory?utm_source=deepeng"><span>Save your seat</span></a></p><div><hr></div><p>&#9997;&#65039;<strong> From the editor&#8217;s desk</strong></p><p>Welcome to the <strong>64th</strong> issue of Deep Engineering!</p><p>On September 10, OpenAI opened its <a href="https://openai.com/index/introducing-the-agents-api/">Agents API</a>, offering developers in public beta the same harness behind Codex, together with automatic context compaction for long sessions, parallel tool calling, and coordination between a primary agent and its subagents. What OpenAI learned from scaling Codex is that an agent doing real work needs more than a good model behind it, because the difficulty lies in managing context and keeping the thing running reliably for days at a stretch. So more of the infrastructure for productivity and session context just became something a developer can rent, paying for the tokens and tools they use.</p><p>But that leaves the organizational problem exposed. Buying a harness does not establish which sources a business trusts or who decides when two teams want incompatible things at the same time. A managed harness does not, by itself, settle those priorities or assign accountability for an outcome. As delivery units shrink toward one to five engineers, the boundaries between them multiply faster than the teams themselves shrink, and every one of those boundaries needs somebody who owns it.</p><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/vijoy/">Vijoy Pandey</a>, SVP and GM of <a href="https://outshift.cisco.com/">Outshift</a> by Cisco, has been working on that problem inside his own division for a few quarters, moving the division onto small agent-augmented teams and discovering what the move actually cost as the rollout expanded. In our <a href="https://deepengineering.net/p/how-cisco-outshift-runs-engineering-ai-tiny-teams-tome-memory-engine">Deep Engineering podcast</a>, he walks through what his group built in response, and his account carries weight because he did not theorize a coordination layer, he built one, found where it failed, and can tell you the team count at which it happened.</p><p>Let&#8217;s get started.</p><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><strong>&#9889; <a href="https://www.vpdae.com/redirect/q13uu8pbl7tjvc50cs944as13u1">Ship Modern Web Apps Faster With AI</a></strong></p><p>AI is changing how web apps get built, and the best developers are already shipping with it. See it live at <strong><a href="https://www.vpdae.com/redirect/q13uu8pbl7tjvc50cs944as13u1">Prepathon&#8217;26</a></strong>, Sep 22-23, two days of <strong>free, hands-on sessions</strong> on frameworks, workflows, and tools actually making it to production. Seats are limited.</p><p><strong><a href="https://www.vpdae.com/redirect/q13uu8pbl7tjvc50cs944as13u1">Reserve your free seat &#8594;</a></strong></p></div><div><hr></div><p><strong>&#129504; Expert Insights</strong></p><h2>AI Is Rewriting Team Topologies and Nobody Owns the Interfaces</h2><p><em>by <span class="mention-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Saqib Jan&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:427210082,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;user&quot;,&quot;url&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/997a788a-cd78-4f84-9b3b-c72ab6dc0153_1008x1008.jpeg&quot;,&quot;uuid&quot;:&quot;50e9cb35-5e9e-4f7b-865d-a9e05cd68f7d&quot;}" data-component-name="MentionToDOM"></span> with <span class="mention-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Vijoy 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anticipated.</p><p>Outshift is Cisco&#8217;s incubation engine, the group that takes emerging technology areas such as agentic computing and quantum computing, builds products in them, and reduces the risk Cisco carries when it enters a new market. Pandey calls his team model T3, short for Tiny Teams with Tokens, meaning a small group of engineers whose capacity comes from inference spend rather than additional headcount.</p><p>There is an industry context for that experiment. On May 5, Brian Armstrong <a href="https://www.coinbase.com/blog/building-a-leaner-and-faster-coinbase">announced a reduction of roughly 14 percent at Coinbase</a> and described a flatter organization built around small, high context teams, including an experiment with one person teams that fold engineering, design and product into a single role. Armstrong cites coordination tax directly as his reason for flattening, and his answer to it is fewer management layers and wider spans of control.</p><p>Pandey accepts that reading of the problem while disagreeing about where the solution belongs. &#8220;I would actually take that as directionally correct, but not absolutely correct,&#8221; he affirms. &#8220;Brian and others are right in saying that the teams are shrinking. But then again, the real test is whether hundreds of these can operate as one single company.&#8221; What he questions is not whether teams should get smaller, but whether a hundred of them still behave like one company once they do.</p><h3>AI moved the cost to the seams between teams</h3><p>Pandey begins from a claim he considers independent of AI entirely. &#8220;A business actually needs three systems to function to drive business outcome,&#8221; he says. &#8220;It needs a productivity unit, it needs a context substrate, and it needs a coordination mechanism.&#8221; The productivity unit is the team that makes things. The context substrate is the shared memory telling everyone what is true right now. The coordination mechanism is whatever decides between two teams that want incompatible outcomes.</p><p>Agentic development has collapsed the first of those three. A substantial market has grown up around the second, with context and memory platforms arriving from every direction. In Pandey&#8217;s view, the third is getting too little attention. &#8220;Context is not coordination,&#8221; he explains, and that distinction becomes measurable the moment somebody instruments it properly.</p><p>Giuseppe Destefanis and Tomaso Aste <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2608.16801">described an instrument for measuring agent coordination in an August preprint</a>. They represent each execution of a multi-agent coding team as a temporal network in which both the agents and the files they touch become nodes, and each logged message, file write and file read becomes an edge carrying a timestamp and a token cost. Across 1,902 graded executions they find that the finished output alone does not reveal the cost of coordination. A team passes every test without recording what reaching that point cost, and two teams passing identical tests differ severalfold in messages, file activity and tokens consumed. The study used two synthetic Python tasks and one model, so its findings offer a comparison with organizational coordination rather than a direct test of it.</p><p>Pandey observes the same blind spot at organizational scale. Artifact generation can keep performing after coordination between teams has degraded, which is why an artifact-velocity dashboard can miss the failure. For an engineering leader auditing this now, the useful measure is the gap between artifacts produced and outcomes actually closed, rather than either number by itself. That gap is worth tracking before it becomes a visible delivery failure.</p><h3>APIs solved this once and cannot solve it at this size</h3><p>Pandey&#8217;s explanation for why the problem is recurring begins with the previous occasion it appeared. Hard engineering, meaning the work of building cars, rockets and network switches, requires large specialist teams because each person contributes something nobody else on the team can. Cloud computing moved software delivery to what Amazon popularized as two pizza teams, groups of eight to twelve people small enough to feed with two pizzas. And that shift, Pandey points out, made coordination harder rather than easier.</p><p>&#8220;Coordination is actually moving from intra-coordination in hard engineering teams, which are large, to inter-team coordination in these two pizza teams,&#8221; he reasons. &#8220;A hundred people, one team, intra-coordination. A hundred people, ten people each, ten teams, inter-team coordination.&#8221;</p><p>Amazon&#8217;s answer became the API manifesto, the internal mandate requiring every team to expose its work through a service interface. As Pandey highlights it with much clarity, &#8220;every team would coordinate with the other team that is building a service through APIs, not through design talks, not through meetings.&#8221; That mandate turned coordination into something machine readable, and it helped shape how large engineering organizations structured themselves.</p><p>Pandey does not believe the same answer carries over to a delivery unit of five. &#8220;APIs are not going to be sufficient to solve it,&#8221; he says. What changes the equation is not the headcount. &#8220;It&#8217;s not the size of the team, it&#8217;s the fact that the teams are shrinking,&#8221; he highlights. &#8220;Teams are actually expanding in scope but shrinking in size.&#8221; An engineer who wrote code last year now reaches into market requirements, design and customer needs, and that widening scope per person is what multiplies the boundaries, rather than the smaller headcount doing it alone.</p><p>The study data gives that intuition a shape, though not the shape the arithmetic predicts. Messaging between agents does grow near-quadratically with team size, at a measured exponent of 1.92 on the researchers&#8217; chained task. Most of that growth comes from first contacts between agent pairs, after which communication per pair falls. Messaging plateaus between eight and sixteen agents as teams increasingly use broadcasts. So the measured quadratic growth is concentrated in initial contacts rather than sustained communication. For anyone budgeting, the implication is to measure actual communication patterns before assuming sustained all-to-all traffic.</p><h3>Outshift built TOME rather than buying a memory layer</h3><p>Having identified context as the second system, Pandey&#8217;s group built one rather than buying one. They call it TOME, an acronym for the organizational memory engine, and every team writes to it and reads from it. What goes in covers design, decisions, outcomes and the measures attached to those outcomes, together with conflicts and escalations. Pandey flags that last category himself, and it matters more than it appears, because a record of escalations is what makes the coordination layer observable at all.</p><p>The first version accepted everything, and the first lesson came back quickly. &#8220;Not all sources that feed into TOME are equal,&#8221; he says. Every organization, he points out, carries an enormous collaboration surface. Git and GitHub for code, the Atlassian suite of Jira and Confluence for tickets and documentation, Office 365 for presentations and shared Word documents, plus meeting transcripts, Slack messages and email.</p><p>&#8220;Such a collaboration surface is primed for authoritative source failures,&#8221; he underscores, before putting the problem as a set of questions no engineering team answers cleanly. &#8220;Who do you trust? Which source do you trust? And now you run into a data architecture problem. And that is unmaintainable at scale.&#8221;</p><p>That matters because a memory layer with no ranking among its inputs will still answer, and answer confidently. That first version hallucinated, and Pandey&#8217;s account of why explains the whole redesign. &#8220;You don&#8217;t want its best answer. You want the right answer,&#8221; he says. The fix inverts an assumption most engineering teams carry without examining it. TOME weights chats and meetings above formal documents, on the reasoning that &#8220;that&#8217;s the equivalent of a hallway conversation,&#8221; because those carry the most recent and most relevant state of a decision. Recency bias, normally something to design against, becomes the design.</p><p>For a team preparing to build something similar, that inversion is the transferable part. Rank the collaboration surfaces before ingesting any of them, and rank each one by how close it stands to a live decision rather than by how formal it looks. A wiki page approved six months ago may carry less current information than a Slack thread from Tuesday, but recency does not replace source authority.</p><p>The research reaches a similar place on the question of channels, approaching from a different direction. Files, normally treated as passive outputs, function as the one-to-many channel inside an agent team, because one write serves many readers where a direct message reaches only one recipient. Requiring teams to coordinate through shared files rather than direct messages cut output tokens by roughly 42 percent at eight agents on message-heavy work. On chain-shaped work where files already carried the coordination, the same rule only added overhead. So the channel that helps depends on the shape of the work, which is worth measuring in your own environment before copying anyone&#8217;s architecture wholesale.</p><h3>Agent written documents stay secondary sources</h3><p>Deciding what enters the memory layer turns out to matter more than deciding where to store it, and the rule making TOME governable is one Pandey states plainly. &#8220;In the primary sources, humans are the authority,&#8221; he says. &#8220;In the secondary sources, humans and agents are the authority.&#8221;</p><p>Anything an agent produces falls on the second side of that line under the current policy, regardless of how polished the output looks. &#8220;They are always, always secondary sources,&#8221; he says. Because generating a document now costs almost nothing, a store admitting agent output as fact fills with plausible material nobody verified, and retrieval quality degrades until people stop querying it altogether.</p><p>The primary sources stay human maintained by the context leads posted between objectives and teams, which is why Pandey treats the coordination pillar as structural rather than administrative. Remove those people and nobody owns the sources of truth, at which point the memory layer degrades into the same collaboration surface it replaced.</p><p>Two practical steps follow for a team implementing this. Record provenance at the moment something gets written rather than attempting to reconstruct it later, because an entry that never captured who or what produced it cannot be reliably traced back to its source. And give a named person ownership of each primary source, since the demotion rule only functions when somebody remains accountable for what stands on the other side of it.</p><p>Pandey expects the split to change eventually and says that change will take more time. He also keeps a target most organizations would find uncomfortable. &#8220;At some point, I want to get rid of all of these collaboration surfaces,&#8221; he says, describing an arrangement where people write to TOME first and open a collaboration tool only for artifacts being shared with others.</p><h3>Context leads earn authority by doing the work</h3><p>If named people carry that much weight in the model, the obvious question becomes whether naming them changes anything, and here the research complicates the picture usefully. Destefanis and Aste tested nominal coordination by telling one agent in its prompt that it was the coordinator. No communication hub formed around that agent, and no reliable improvement in success followed. A sealed replication at eight agents found no reliable success advantage for coordinator teams under any file policy tested. Their finding is that a team organizes around the structure emerging through its interactions, and a label in a prompt creates none of that structure.</p><p>Read against Pandey&#8217;s model, the result offers a useful parallel rather than direct validation. His context leads carry work rather than titles. Their responsibilities cover keeping context coherent, deciding at the lowest layer capable of deciding, and moving escalations quickly, and each of those is an activity somebody can be measured against.</p><p>The failure case in the study data demonstrates the cost of getting this wrong. An eight-step calculation split one step per agent failed every single execution on a single question, whether to round the figures at each step or once at the end. The rounding convention fell on the boundary between two agents and belonged to neither of them. The teams discussed it in all ten attempts and never settled it, and the finished code executed without error. Decomposition creates interfaces, every interface needs an owner, and the interfaces without one are where the work breaks.</p><p>The audit to run this week follows from that directly. Build a boundary inventory listing every seam where one team&#8217;s output becomes another team&#8217;s input, and put a name against each seam. Any seam without a name is your rounding convention, and it may not announce itself, because the components on either side can appear individually correct while the combined code still executes.</p><h3>Weigh decisions by blast radius before routing them</h3><p>Outshift&#8217;s structure carries three levels. Objectives at the top, of which a team or a division owns three to five. T3s at the bottom, the delivery unit. Areas in between, because objectives do not map onto teams of five without an intermediate layer, and an area can be functional, architectural or mapped to key results depending on what suits the organization.</p><p>Decisions get weighted before anyone routes them. Pandey applies the distinction Jeff Bezos popularized between one way doors, meaning decisions that cost a great deal to reverse, and reversible calls where changing course later costs little. To that he adds two further tests. Whether other teams depend on the outcome, and how much damage a failure causes. &#8220;If an outcome from a T3 goes haywire, how bad is it to the team, to the product, to the company?&#8221; he says. &#8220;Based on the blast radius of that outcome from the T3, that decision holds weight or doesn&#8217;t hold weight.&#8221;</p><p>Reversible, independent, low radius outcomes ship without ceremony, and everything else earns scrutiny proportional to its weight. A team can adopt that scoring on its existing structure tomorrow, starting by agreeing the three tests and applying them when a decision gets recorded.</p><p>Pandey&#8217;s test for whether the whole apparatus functions is deliberately demanding, and he calls it the 12 a.m. test. &#8220;Can I get the what, the why, and the how of the decision that was made for that business outcome at 12 a.m. on a Sunday morning without bothering anybody else?&#8221; he says. &#8220;If I can do that, TOME is successful.&#8221; Pandey says Outshift reached that point, and the test works equally well as an acceptance criterion any team can apply to its own memory layer long before that layer is finished.</p><p>Escalations the area leads and objective leads cannot settle reach Pandey&#8217;s standup, where they get decided one at a time, and those standups happen at the objective layer deliberately. &#8220;You should not be measuring the number of lines of code you wrote,&#8221; he says. &#8220;Did it solve a customer problem? Are practitioners using what we&#8217;ve built? And how quickly is that outcome happening?&#8221;</p><p>Underneath the whole model is a sentence worth pinning above a whiteboard. &#8220;Organizational design is actually a decision-making design,&#8221; Pandey says.</p><h3>Appoint the leads before you build the system</h3><p>Two things follow for anyone reading this with a shrinking engineering organization.</p><p>The first is a threshold below which none of this earns its cost. Under roughly thirty people, Pandey argues, a founder or a small group can serve as the context and coordination layer personally across five to ten teams, and he does not recommend a more formal structure at that size. Outshift encountered the limit of informal coordination during its rollout. The model went to one team first, and in a piece of recursion Pandey clearly enjoys, &#8220;the T3 team that was building TOME was actually leveraging TOME to then deliver on TOME.&#8221; Three teams followed, then five, then the whole division. &#8220;We saw the model start breaking roughly around the five T3 number,&#8221; he says. Count delivery units rather than headcount, because forty people across four teams face nothing like the coordination load of forty people across twelve. The figures are rough guideposts from his experience, not universal cutoffs.</p><p>The second is a practical recommendation. Naming the people who own the interfaces between teams can begin without building new software, though the study result is a reminder that a title alone does not create effective coordination. Building the memory engine behind those people is a project, and it becomes easier to justify as coordination demands increase. Building it without named owners risks a system nobody maintains, feeding an organization that ships quickly and finishes slowly, which is the failure Pandey identifies at the close of our conversation and one that better instrumentation can help make visible.</p><blockquote><p>Follow Vijoy&#8217;s work at <a href="https://vijoypandey.substack.com/">Coherent Cognition</a>.</p></blockquote><div><hr></div><h2><strong>In case you missed</strong></h2><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;8fb7cb5c-9f2c-4c06-9b6a-b7c06da2c156&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Most conversations about AI and team size stop at the headcount. Teams get smaller, agents absorb the work, and the argument ends there. 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If something here changed how you are thinking about your own team boundaries, comment below. I read everything.</p><p>Keep building,</p><p><a href="https://in.linkedin.com/in/s-jan">Saqib Jan</a>, Editor-in-Chief, Deep Engineering</p><div><hr></div><p><strong>Partner with Deep Engineering</strong></p><p><em>If your company wants to reach senior developers, software engineers, and technical decision-makers, <a href="https://packt.omeclk.com/portal/wts/uc%5EcnN2dfNaqmD-kB-mo66%7C7g%5Ef%7Cb">speak to us about partnering</a> with Deep Engineering.</em></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[How Cisco's Outshift Runs Engineering On AI Tiny Teams And A Memory Engine]]></title><description><![CDATA[Vijoy Pandey shrank his teams to five people and explains what that costs, and the memory engine and decision leads Outshift built to hold it together]]></description><link>https://deepengineering.net/p/how-cisco-outshift-runs-engineering-ai-tiny-teams-tome-memory-engine</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://deepengineering.net/p/how-cisco-outshift-runs-engineering-ai-tiny-teams-tome-memory-engine</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Saqib Jan]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2026 09:04:14 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/216114891/a8ae110c5a6b5c26449da331df2b4a0a.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most conversations about AI and team size stop at the headcount. Teams get smaller, agents absorb the work, and the argument ends there. <strong>Vijoy Pandey</strong>, SVP and GM of Outshift by Cisco, joined the Deep Engineering Podcast to argue that the problem starts immediately after that, because a company running a hundred small teams still has to make them add up to one company.</p><blockquote><p>He writes about this work at <a href="https://vijoypandey.substack.com/">Coherent Cognition</a>, his Substack on scaling out infrastructure for non-deterministic systems, and posts regularly on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/vijoy/">LinkedIn</a>.</p></blockquote><p>For eight months Pandey has run Outshift on a model he calls T3, tiny teams with tokens, where the delivery unit is one to five engineers with heavy agent support. His argument is that a business needs three systems to produce outcomes, a productivity unit, a context substrate and a coordination mechanism, and that AI has collapsed the first while leaving the third almost untouched.</p><p>So Outshift built its own organizational memory engine, TOME, which holds designs, decisions and escalations for every team, weights chats and meetings above documents, and keeps anything an agent writes as a permanently secondary source. Pandey is also direct about the limits, since the coordination tax arrived at around five teams and none of this structure earns its cost below roughly thirty people.</p><p style="text-align: center;">Below is the cleaned up transcript of our conversation.</p><div><hr></div><h3><em>Tell us what Outshift is inside Cisco, and what you have changed about how your teams are set up and how they operate day to day</em></h3><p>Outshift is Cisco&#8217;s incubation engine. We look at emerging technologies, and right now that primarily means agentic computing and quantum computing. We put the Cisco hat on and figure out what products Cisco can build in those spaces. We build those products, get some customer traction, get some practitioner adoption, and in parallel we work with the business units to scale the product and the business out as part of larger Cisco. Our job is to reduce risk for Cisco when it enters an emerging technology space and that market.</p><p>On what is happening operationally, your readership will already be aware of the trend. AI has made building things dramatically cheaper, and that means coordination is becoming the part that slows companies down. A business needs three systems to function and to drive business outcomes. It needs a productivity unit, a context substrate, and a coordination mechanism. That was true regardless of AI, 70 years ago and 100 years ago.</p><p>What is happening now is that the first one, the productivity unit, is shrinking massively because of agentic AI. On context, a whole set of startups are coming up to build context platforms and memory platforms. So everyone is racing to build the agentic productivity unit, everybody is building and buying the context layer, and nobody is talking about the third pillar, which is how hundreds of these tiny teams talk to each other and add up at the company level to drive a business outcome. Context is not coordination. What we have built, which we call the T3 operating model, is our attempt to solve all three pillars so we can accelerate business outcomes in a world of agentic native development.</p><h3><em>A team of one to five developers with a lot of agent capacity behind it is hard to picture from outside. What does a T3 actually consist of</em></h3><p>Let me start with why teams are even shrinking. If you have heard the recent chatter, especially the commentary from the foundation model labs and some of the AI native forward companies, including a recent one from Coinbase CEO Brian Armstrong, what they have been saying is that you are getting towards a one person company. Brian made the comment that you are moving towards a one person team. I would take that as directionally correct but not absolutely correct. Brian and others are right that teams are shrinking. The real test is whether hundreds of these can operate as one single company.</p><p>There is a history here. Teams have been shrinking for the past few decades. If you go back to hard engineering, the way you make cars, the way you make rockets, and in our own business the way you make hardware switches and routers, you are not shrinking teams as much. You need large specialist teams for cars and rockets and routers and switches, because every person brings something different to that equation.</p><p>With the advent of cloud and cloud services and the entire API model, a lot of that shifted towards what we now know as two pizza teams. That is what Amazon and Jeff Bezos and the crew were proponents of, and it has been deployed everywhere now. Cloud moved us from really large hard engineering teams to two pizza sized teams, eight to ten to twelve people in size, and that became the size of the delivery unit.</p><p>But the coordination problem became harder, because coordination moved from intra team coordination in large hard engineering teams to inter team coordination in these two pizza teams. A hundred people in one team is intra team coordination. A hundred people in ten teams of ten is inter team coordination. The way Bezos and team solved it is through what is now known as the API manifesto, where every team coordinates with the team building a service through APIs, not through design talks and not through meetings. That codified coordination and made it simpler, and it solved inter team coordination.</p><p>That is happening again with AI, where team sizes are moving towards one to five. The coordination surface is exploding again, and APIs are not going to be sufficient to solve it. That is what we are trying to do with our model. The first thing to realize is that it is not the size of the team, it is the fact that the teams are shrinking. It is not the agentic tooling you are using, and you can use many types of agentic harnesses and tooling. It is that artifact generation is simpler, and because of that teams are expanding in scope while shrinking in size. That leads to coordination problems, especially inter team coordination, and the big thing to solve is that coordination problem.</p><h3><em>You started with one team on one outcome, then took it across the whole organization. What was in the model by the time you rolled it out that was not in that first team</em></h3><p>We are eight months in, we have looked at every type of metric, and we have looked at what worked and what did not. There are a few things we have learned already, and we are still learning, because we are very early in this journey.</p><p>First, the architecture of what the three pillars look like. T3s, tiny teams with tokens, are our productivity unit. They are our artifact generation unit, and they are human forward, human led teams assisted by many agents. So multi-agent teams with human centric decision making, judgment and accountability.</p><p>For context we built TOME, the organizational memory engine. It is the memory engine for the entire organization and it is a layer we built from scratch. Every team stores and retrieves context there, everything from design to decisions to outcomes and how you measure outcomes, and conflicts and escalations. That last part matters.</p><p>The coordination layer is more of a process and a structure at this point. Internally we use objectives and key results. My background is from Google, which has used OKRs for a long time, and it is normal in cloud centric teams, so we inherited OKRs as the way we measure ourselves regardless of the agentic world we live in.</p><p>For coordination we broke teams, artifact generation and leadership into three buckets. Objectives, of which a team or an organization might carry three to five. T3s, the productivity unit. Objectives do not map cleanly onto T3s, that is too much of a jump, so we have something in between called areas. You can think of areas as functional areas, as architectural alignments, or as key results, and you decide what works for you. We appoint context leaders at both levels, so objective leads and area leads, and their entire job is to keep things consistent, to make sure decision making happens at the lowest layer possible, and to make sure escalations move fast. All of that happens through TOME.</p><p>On learnings, the first is that not all sources feeding into TOME are equal. People usually say recency bias is a bad thing. For TOME it is a good thing. TOME prioritizes chats and meetings over everything else, because that is the equivalent of a hallway conversation, and those are the most relevant and the most recent.</p><p>We learned that the hard way, because of the second thing we learned. Every team, including ours, has a very large collaboration surface. We have Git and GitHub for code. We have the whole Atlassian suite, Jira and Confluence, for ticket tracking and documentation. We have Office 365, because we build presentations and Word documents to share with other people. We have video meetings and transcripts, Slack chats, emails. The collaboration surface is massive, and a surface like that is primed for authoritative source failures. Which source do you trust. At that point you have a data architecture problem, and it is unmaintainable at scale. That is why we built an architecture that prioritizes, and hallway conversations, meaning chats and meetings, get priority.</p><p>The third learning is about agents. Cisco has rolled agents out across its entire workforce of 90,000 people. We all have personal agents, and I am running [tool names, confirm with Vijoy] and a number of other things. Having agents, or model harnesses like [Claude Code and Cowork, confirm], that can plug into the whole collaboration surface does not mean you no longer need a context layer like TOME. A context layer does not just plug into those surfaces, it has authority and hierarchy built in as first class principles. TOME drives authority, hierarchy and consistency across all of them.</p><p>One design goal we hold is that at some point I want to get rid of all these collaboration surfaces. Today we go from people to a massive surface to TOME. I want to flip that, so we go from people to TOME, and then to a collaboration surface only when that surface is needed, for outbound artifacts like a presentation or a document or a PDF going to somebody else. That is a challenge to the team and it is what we want to get to.</p><h3><em>The case engineers keep running into is not looking up a fact, it is looking up an argument. A team formed last month needs to know why a decision was made six months ago by a team that has since dissolved. How does that resolve at Outshift today</em></h3><p>Human judgment is critical, and it is even more critical in this agentic era, because artifact generation has become cheap, simple and plentiful. What is happening is not just that my work is getting faster with agent assistance. My work is expanding. My role expands beyond what I could do yesterday. If I am an engineer, I could write code yesterday. Today I can write code faster and at a higher abstraction layer, but I can also work out what the market needs are. I can work out what a good design or user experience might look like. I can work out what customer needs are and what will resonate with customers. These tools let me expand my role into aspects further down from it, and that makes the coordination layer harder and human judgment more important.</p><p>Through TOME we apply the Bezos philosophy of how you prioritize decision making, which says some decisions are one way doors and some are reversible. You make a one way decision and you cannot come back to it, because coming back is expensive. Others are revolving doors, where you decide, move on, and the cost of reverting or pivoting is low, so you should make that decision quickly.</p><p>When T3s are formed we work out whether the outcomes they generate are one way or reversible. One way outcomes get more scrutiny and more time. For reversible outcomes we use T3s and TOME and go forward, so ship, iterate, do not worry about it.</p><p>Second, we look at decisions that carry dependencies. Some T3s generate outcomes that other T3s depend on, and the cost of those decisions is higher than for outcomes that are independent of each other.</p><p>The third is blast radius. If an outcome from a T3 goes haywire, how bad is that for the team, the product and the company. Based on the blast radius, that decision holds weight or it does not. Those are the things we use to work out how critical a judgment or a decision is.</p><p>What TOME then lets us do is hold that decision matrix, let the objective leads and area leads make the right calls at the right layers, and run escalations asynchronously and quickly according to the weight of the decision. One test I set the team is what I call the 12 a.m. test. I wake up at 12 a.m. on a Sunday morning and want to understand the impact of a business outcome. Can I get the what, the why and the how of the decision behind it, at 12 a.m. on a Sunday, without bothering anybody else. If I can do that, TOME is successful. We have managed to get to that point.</p><h3><em>Once agents can generate documents at almost no cost, a store that accepts everything fills with plausible material nobody checked. What are you deliberately keeping out</em></h3><p>This goes back to how we constructed TOME. The collaboration surfaces are the prime source of hallucinations, and that was a lesson we learned when we started out.</p><p>We designed TOME as the layer after the collaboration surfaces. You have people augmented with agents in the shape of T3s, one to five in size, still talking to our collaboration surfaces, because that is what we are all used to. We write in Confluence, we write in Word, we generate PowerPoint, ops people take meeting minutes, emails go out, there are calls and chats. If you feed all of that into TOME, which is where we started, the authority, the accountability and the data architecture fail you, because the tool will hallucinate. You can throw data at TOME and at agents, and TOME is agentic in nature, but it will try to give you its best answer. You do not want its best answer. You want the right answer.</p><p>What we have done since is build an architecture that says these are the primary sources, the sources of truth, and these are the secondary sources. In the primary sources, humans are the authority. In the secondary sources, humans and agents are the authority. So when agents write design documents and presentations, and when they collaborate with us in chats and meetings, they are always secondary sources. The primary sources of truth today are still human maintained and human constructed, by that context leader layer, which is why the third pillar matters so much. The objective leads and the area leads are the ones who maintain that human source of truth. That is what we do today. We hope to change it, but that will take longer.</p><h3><em>How is the boundary between two teams actually expressed. Is it a written contract, a shared artifact, a person, something else</em></h3><p>Right now the boundary between teams is expressed through the context and coordination layers. Teams are T3s, one to five people, heavily agent augmented. The context layer is where we store decisions, outcomes, what we measure, escalations and so on. Coordination, instead of being codified, is human led today. Context leaders at the objective and area levels make sure the sources of truth are maintained and that what comes out of TOME is not a hallucination exercise. That is where we are, because we are rolling this out slowly and there are many collaboration surfaces.</p><p>You are right that as engineers we think about this as a software problem. Right now T3s are human led and agent assisted. We are moving towards a world where agents and humans hold the same level of agency, so multi-agent human teams where a human has the same authority and agency as an agent. In that world, which is not far away, how do you codify the coordination pillar.</p><p>What we are building for that is what we call the Internet of Cognition, which is Outshift&#8217;s own project at Cisco. It is the coordination layer, and it lets agents and humans coordinate towards a common goal, define common intent, and define a negotiation mechanism through protocols. We do that all day long through language, and the language of machines and agents is protocols. So can protocols carry meaning rather than only data. Once they carry meaning they can coordinate, they can negotiate, and they can reach grounding on terminology.</p><p>These are things we do all day. Half the problems we see day to day, even with T3s, come down to whether I mean the same thing as you, whether we are aligned on the same terms, whether we are aligned on the same KPIs. That is where half the escalations happen and where half the friction in the seams happens. Grounding, coordination, negotiation and evaluation all derive from meaning. If we can build protocols that carry meaning, we can codify the coordination layer and move towards multi-agent human teams doing shared reasoning together to solve for business outcomes.</p><h3><em>A shared memory system can show everyone that a conflict exists but cannot pick a winner. Where is that handoff in your setup, and what does it look like for the service owner on the receiving end</em></h3><p>TOME is the context layer that surfaces these disagreements. It surfaces all kinds of outcomes, successes, failures and conflicts. The context leaders at the objective and area layers are the ones who resolve them, and they do it asynchronously, as soon as they see it surfaced.</p><p>TOME surfaces the disagreement. If two T3s cannot resolve it, TOME reflects that. If the area lead cannot resolve it, TOME reflects that. If the objective leads cannot resolve it, TOME reflects that. At that point it comes to me and my senior leadership team.</p><p>We still run standup meetings, and what we do in them is walk through the escalations the objective leads could not resolve through TOME, go through them one by one, and take the decision. So the standups now happen at the objective layer, which is where they should happen, because objectives are what you should measure. You should not measure productivity. You should not measure the number of lines of code you wrote. You should measure whether it solved a customer problem, whether practitioners are using what you built, and how quickly that outcome is happening. Outcome velocity.</p><p>So yes, there is still decision making with humans in the loop, but it happens at the objective layer, at the business outcome layer, and it happens through TOME asynchronously and with extreme velocity. We are not taking humans out of the loop. We are making sure artifact generation happens with velocity, through T3s and agentic software development, and that decision making and coordination also happen with velocity, through TOME and this layer we have built.</p><h3><em>All three pillars have to exist eventually. Which one would you build first, and what does it cost to get that order wrong</em></h3><p>At team sizes of one through thirty you do not need this structure. If you are a small startup under thirty people, you can use agentic harnesses, build your T3s, and end up with five to ten of them. You or a small group can be the context and coordination layer yourselves, very human centric. So your productivity pillar can be agent driven and agent forward from the start, and the other two pillars can be one person or a few people. You will not hit velocity problems, because there is not enough context to keep and you have maybe five to ten teams.</p><p>Beyond thirty people, give or take, is where we see the explosion take shape, because of where we started. As you shrink team sizes, coordination shifts from intra team to inter team. As you go from five or ten teams towards thirty teams and towards a hundred teams, your coordination problem is an n squared problem, and n squared is exponential in the number of teams rather than the size of the team. So from ten or more teams onward you start hitting velocity problems, not in artifact generation but in context maintainership and decision making.</p><p>That is the pivot where you should deploy a context layer. You should break your objectives into areas and T3s, and appoint context leads whose entire job is to keep context sane and coherent and who hold the authority to make the call at the lowest layer. Organizational design is actually decision making design, and that is important.</p><p>How do I know that. When we started moving to the T3 operating model we started with one team, and in all things like this you solve it recursively. We deployed T3 on the T3 team itself, so the team building TOME used TOME to deliver TOME. It is a very meta and very recursive problem. It was one team and we tried it out. Then we rolled it out to three teams, five teams, and eventually to the entirety of Outshift. We saw the model start breaking at around the five T3 mark, because that is where the coordination and decision making tax started hitting people, and we needed infrastructure in place.</p><h3><em>What would you advise engineering leaders that most people do not know</em></h3><p>Agentic development is changing the game for everyone. It expands what any individual can do into many more things. But there are human values that are hard to replicate in agentic development. One is judgment. Another is influence. The third is accountability.</p><p>Can you make the right calls with a lack of data. Agents do not do that well. Can you influence other teams and other people to work with you on the vision you have and the decision you made. Influence is a big one. And once you have done those two, are you the one accountable, because you will be accountable for the outcomes that result. Taste is the other one that is very human.</p><p>So when you build these teams, use agentic development, but right size the teams because of judgment, taste, influence and accountability. That is how you end up at one to five people. Then build out the context layer and the coordination structure, because without those you will be in decision making hell. You will feel you are shipping fast, and you will be shipping artifacts really fast, but you will not be shipping outcomes fast, and that is what every business is after.</p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Deep Engineering #63: Imran Ahmad on Building the Deterministic Shell Around an AI System]]></title><description><![CDATA[OpenAI's agents were allowed to read the internet and not write to it. Imran Ahmad on where a boundary belongs when a convention will not hold, plus five rings of code.]]></description><link>https://deepengineering.net/p/issue-63-imran-ahmad-deterministic-shell</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://deepengineering.net/p/issue-63-imran-ahmad-deterministic-shell</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Saqib Jan]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2026 16:34:11 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/9bc4b0cf-8c1e-4e4e-b54a-98f9607ad5c0_2400x1200.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><a href="https://luma.com/10aiagents?coupon=DEEPENG20&amp;utm_source=deepeng">10 Essential AI Agents Every Engineer Must Build</a></strong></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://luma.com/10aiagents?coupon=DEEPENG20&amp;utm_source=deepeng" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div 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You leave with the patterns for designing agent systems and a GitHub repository of all ten, running against OpenAI, Claude, Gemini, or local models.</p><p style="text-align: center;">&#128467;&#65039; <strong>Sat</strong> <strong>12</strong> Sept, <strong>11</strong> AM ET &#183; Includes the<a href="https://www.packtpub.com/en-us/product/30-agents-every-ai-engineer-must-build-9781806109005"> </a><strong><a href="https://www.packtpub.com/en-us/product/30-agents-every-ai-engineer-must-build-9781806109005">30 Agents eBook</a></strong>, worth <strong>$39</strong></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://luma.com/10aiagents?coupon=DEEPENG20&amp;utm_source=deepeng&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Save your seat&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://luma.com/10aiagents?coupon=DEEPENG20&amp;utm_source=deepeng"><span>Save your seat</span></a></p><div><hr></div><p>&#9997;&#65039;<strong> From the editor&#8217;s desk</strong></p><p>Welcome to the <strong>63rd</strong> issue of Deep Engineering!</p><p>On 4 September, the <a href="https://collusion.wiki/">Nightingale Collective published a reconstruction</a> of roughly 18,000 posts left on DSEWiki by autonomous agents self-identifying as OpenAI systems. The agents used the old developer wiki to pool answers, predict upcoming tasks, and share ways around their own sandbox. The most important detail was not that the agents wrote to a wiki. It was how ordinary the failure looked.</p><p>The environment allowed web reads but not writes, and enforced that distinction by permitting only GET requests. DSEWiki, a fork of a Perl CGI wiki from 2001, accepts page writes over GET. A probabilistic system exploring its environment found the gap, used it, and then shared what worked.</p><p>That is the problem this week&#8217;s feature takes up. <a href="https://ca.linkedin.com/in/cloudanum">Imran Ahmad</a>, PhD, has built large-scale AI and software systems, and is the author of <em>50 Algorithms Every Programmer Should Know</em>, <em>30 Agents Every AI Engineer Must Build</em>, and the forthcoming <em>Building Reliable AI-Assisted Software</em> from Packt. <a href="https://deepengineering.net/p/your-demo-is-lying-to-you-imran-ahmad">Earlier</a>, he argued that the gap between an impressive demo and a trustworthy production system is structural. At ARC 2026, our virtual conference, he showed how to close it with a deterministic shell around the model.</p><p>This issue traces where prompt-injection checks belong, why retrieval can hand a model the wrong policy, and what one request looks like as it crosses all five layers, logged end to end.</p><p>Let&#8217;s get started.</p><div class="pullquote"><h3>&#128064; Before we dive in</h3><p style="text-align: justify;"><a href="https://cdn.openai.com/pdf/67869394-cb91-4c12-888c-5cbd85c7814c/OpenAI-Hugging-Face%20Incident-Technical-Report.pdf">OpenAI&#8217;s technical report on the Hugging Face incident</a>, published on 26 August, shows what happens when an agent boundary is loosened for utility. Some research workloads needed browsing or package access, so the environment provided a controlled web cache and varied restrictions by workload. On 13 May, an agent could not find a file it needed, inferred that Hugging Face was connected to the evaluation, searched there, and used a Hugging Face token that was already publicly exposed.</p><p style="text-align: justify;">By 26 May, agents in the same environment had found six more exposed tokens, issued write requests to create a repository, and used one token to stand up a minimal web proxy through<strong> Hugging Face Spaces</strong>. By July, according to <a href="https://metr.org/blog/2026-08-26-openai-hugging-face-incident-investigation/">METR&#8217;s independent investigation</a>, agents were registering accounts, requesting access to private datasets, and troubleshooting rejections when the platform flagged them as bots.</p><p style="text-align: justify;">OpenAI&#8217;s report later found that agents had learned to improvise collaboration channels during training even when no collaboration tool was enabled, and that training reinforced the behavior. That is the failure mode Imran&#8217;s feature is about. The model did not need to break. The boundary around it did.</p></div><p><strong>&#129504; Practical Deep Dive</strong></p><h2>Reliable AI Systems Are Five Rings of Boring Code</h2><p><em>by <span class="mention-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Imran Ahmad&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:2260974,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;user&quot;,&quot;url&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/08005e44-db96-4138-aa26-ee3a3f95d335_1254x1254.png&quot;,&quot;uuid&quot;:&quot;5319621c-f035-4e1a-a1c7-052b690c2b9e&quot;}" data-component-name="MentionToDOM"></span> </em></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!R984!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2823c273-c022-44f0-8e64-ea64d8dde09f_2400x1200.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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At <strong>ARC 2026</strong> nobody argued with the diagnosis. What the room wanted was the build.</p><p>One question from the floor put it precisely. Can you trace one request through all the rings?</p><p>Yes. It is worth doing slowly, because each ring catches a different failure, and most teams have built two of the five without ever noticing which three are missing.</p><p>One clarification before we start. This is the production picture, where the model already sits in the request path and a customer waits at the other end. Using a model to help you write software is a different problem with a different shape, and I will come back to it separately.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rVTj!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6894a24c-439e-4bae-8378-f1c0e0394b02_2400x1600.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!rVTj!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6894a24c-439e-4bae-8378-f1c0e0394b02_2400x1600.png 424w, 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There is a widespread instinct to answer this in the prompt, to add a line asking the model to behave responsibly and decline anything suspicious. That instinct is the mistake. A prompt is an instruction to a component that samples. It is not a control.</p><p>Input validation is a security boundary. It detects hostile, malformed, or policy-disallowed requests and refuses them before the probabilistic core is ever invoked. In the demo I ran at ARC, the injection attempt never reached the model at all. No tokens, no latency, no blast radius, and a clean log line saying what was refused and why.</p><p>It is also the cheapest ring to build, which is why it is a strange one to skip.</p><h3>The model can reason beautifully from the wrong document</h3><p>This is the layer teams most often underestimate, and usually the layer that produced the incident they are investigating.</p><p>The $4,200 refund promise was not a reasoning failure. Retrieval had served the wrong policy. In the traced run, the monthly-trial refund document scored 19 and the annual-license document scored 6, so the model read a thirty-day guarantee that applied to a different product and reasoned about it correctly. Everything downstream of that retrieval was working exactly as designed.</p><p>RAG is automated context assembly, and it inherits every property of the algorithm underneath it. Neighborhood chunking is a best-effort strategy. There is no intelligence in the assembly step itself, no verification that what arrived is the ground truth for <em>this</em> request. You are depending on a probabilistic retriever to feed a probabilistic model and then expressing surprise at a probabilistic answer.</p><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p>&#9889; <a href="https://luma.com/10aiagents?coupon=DEEPENG20&amp;utm_source=deepeng">Build 10 AI Agents With Imran Ahmad</a></p><p><strong>Join Imran</strong> as he builds ten production-inspired agents live, from single-agent tool use up to autonomous mission planning. You keep the repository.</p><p><a href="https://luma.com/10aiagents?coupon=DEEPENG20&amp;utm_source=deepeng">Register &#8594;</a> Sat 12 Sept, 11 AM ET</p><p></p></div><p>Two consequences follow. The first is that a context window is a budget you assemble, not a stream you append to. Instructions, conversation history, and retrieved knowledge all compete for the same finite space, and when one grows the others are silently squeezed.</p><p>The second is that position is a feature. Liu et al. measured this in <a href="https://aclanthology.org/2024.tacl-1.9.pdf">Lost in the Middle</a> (TACL, 2024): with the answer-bearing document first of twenty, GPT-3.5-Turbo scored 75.8%. With the same document buried mid-stack, 53.8%. The closed-book baseline, with no documents at all, was 56.1%. Loading the right information in the wrong place performed worse than loading nothing.</p><p>Treat what the model sees as application state. Assemble it deliberately, and log it.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1cAG!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3af5ff5-4a03-4f12-9673-e3b5651dff54_2400x1600.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1cAG!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3af5ff5-4a03-4f12-9673-e3b5651dff54_2400x1600.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1cAG!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3af5ff5-4a03-4f12-9673-e3b5651dff54_2400x1600.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1cAG!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3af5ff5-4a03-4f12-9673-e3b5651dff54_2400x1600.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1cAG!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3af5ff5-4a03-4f12-9673-e3b5651dff54_2400x1600.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1cAG!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3af5ff5-4a03-4f12-9673-e3b5651dff54_2400x1600.png" width="1456" height="971" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/f3af5ff5-4a03-4f12-9673-e3b5651dff54_2400x1600.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:971,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:188821,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://deepengineering.net/i/215004725?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3af5ff5-4a03-4f12-9673-e3b5651dff54_2400x1600.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1cAG!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3af5ff5-4a03-4f12-9673-e3b5651dff54_2400x1600.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1cAG!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3af5ff5-4a03-4f12-9673-e3b5651dff54_2400x1600.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1cAG!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3af5ff5-4a03-4f12-9673-e3b5651dff54_2400x1600.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1cAG!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3af5ff5-4a03-4f12-9673-e3b5651dff54_2400x1600.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h3><strong>Your code owns the loop</strong></h3><p>The model may propose an action. It does not decide what happens next.</p><p>That sentence sounds obvious and is routinely violated, because handing the loop to the model is the path of least resistance. Ask an autonomous agent to deploy an application and watch what happens when the rollout fails. A human engineer stops, reads the logs, and calls someone. The agent has a different objective. Deployment failed, so retry.</p><blockquote><p><strong><a href="https://deepengineering.net/i/215000236/your-code-owns-the-loop">Continue reading &#8594;</a> </strong><em>In the rest of the piece, Imran prices one missing exit condition at $23,400 and writes the whole shell out in about forty lines, with one refund ticket traced through all five rings.</em></p></blockquote><div class="embedded-post-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;id&quot;:215000236,&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://deepengineering.net/p/reliable-ai-systems-five-rings-imran-ahmad&quot;,&quot;publication_id&quot;:1729053,&quot;embedding_publication_id&quot;:1729053,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Packt Deep Engineering&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!H5BJ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F736bc1ee-d689-497e-83a8-7d9bf9022eb9_600x600.png&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Reliable AI Systems Are Five Rings of Boring Code&quot;,&quot;truncated_body_text&quot;:&quot;In July I argued here that the distance between an AI demo and a production system is structural rather than a tuning problem. 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What the room wanted was the build&#8230;</div><div class="embedded-post-cta-wrapper"><span class="embedded-post-cta">Read more</span></div><div class="embedded-post-meta">16 days ago &#183; Imran Ahmad</div></a></div><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p>&#9889; <a href="https://luma.com/fde-workshop?utm_source=deepeng">Forward Deployed Engineering Workshop</a></p><p>Join two live sessions and learn to scope a 90-day agent deployment for a regulated customer, then defend it in a CISO hot seat.</p><p><a href="https://luma.com/fde-workshop?utm_source=deepeng">Register &#8594;</a> &#128467;&#65039;  <strong>19</strong> and <strong>20</strong> September &#183; Early bird <strong>40%</strong> off</p></div><div><hr></div><h2><strong>&#128736;&#65039; Tool of the Week</strong></h2><p><a href="https://github.com/guardrails-ai/guardrails">Guardrails AI </a>- an open-source Python framework for validating model inputs and outputs, composing guards from a library of pre-built validators and enforcing a Pydantic schema on structured output so a malformed response fails as a validation error rather than propagating downstream.</p><p><strong>Highlights</strong></p><ul><li><p>Compose validators into a single guard rather than writing bespoke checks per endpoint</p></li><li><p>Configurable failure actions, so a breached rule can refuse, retry, or escalate instead of returning</p></li><li><p>Schema validation on structured output, which turns a parsing bug into a caught exception</p></li><li><p>Run in-process or behind a self-hosted server, so the guard is deployable independently of the application</p></li></ul><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://github.com/guardrails-ai/guardrails&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Learn more about Guardrails AI&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://github.com/guardrails-ai/guardrails"><span>Learn more about Guardrails AI</span></a></p><div><hr></div><h2>&#128206; Tech Briefs</h2><ul><li><p><a href="https://openai.com/index/an-alien-mind/">An Alien Mind</a> - OpenAI says chain-of-thought monitoring is becoming less reliable as model capability and autonomy continue to rise.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://deploymentsafety.openai.com/gpt-6-astra">GPT-6 Astra system card adds external-message evaluation</a> - OpenAI now tests whether browsing agents engage with unauthorized messages found inside simulated task environments.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://github.com/promptfoo/promptfoo/releases/tag/0.123.0">Promptfoo 0.123.0 ships GPT-6 and MCP metadata support</a> - Evaluations can now target GPT-6 Astra and expose MCP tool calls in response metadata during regression runs.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://labs.cloudsecurityalliance.org/research/csa-research-note-ai-incident-disclosure-gap-eu-ai-act-20260/">CSA examines the AI incident disclosure gap</a> - The note frames OpenAI&#8217;s wiki episode as a live test of EU AI Act reporting boundaries.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://stackql.io/blog/stackql-mcp-2026-07-28-and-opentelemetry">StackQL v0.11 adds MCP 2026-07-28 and OTel audit logs</a> - Agent audit records can now emit OpenTelemetry logs, making infrastructure actions collector-readable without custom parsers.</p></li></ul><div><hr></div><p>That&#8217;s all for today. Thank you for reading this issue of Deep Engineering.</p><p>We&#8217;ll be back next week with more expert-led content.</p><p>Keep building,</p><p><a href="https://in.linkedin.com/in/s-jan">Saqib Jan</a><span> - Editor-in-Chief, Deep Engineering</span></p><div><hr></div><p><strong>Partner with Deep Engineering</strong></p><p><em>If your company wants to reach senior developers, software engineers, and technical decision-makers, <a href="https://packt.omeclk.com/portal/wts/uc%5EcnN2dfNaqmD-kB-mo66%7C7g%5Ef%7Cb">speak to us about partnering</a> with Deep Engineering.</em></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reliable AI Systems Are Five Rings of Boring Code]]></title><description><![CDATA[A support assistant promised a $4,200 refund that no policy backed. Imran Ahmad walks the deterministic shell that contains it, ring by ring, in about forty lines of code.]]></description><link>https://deepengineering.net/p/reliable-ai-systems-five-rings-imran-ahmad</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://deepengineering.net/p/reliable-ai-systems-five-rings-imran-ahmad</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Imran Ahmad]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2026 07:26:07 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/e3cfbe92-11a4-4d51-8532-4739d67939c7_2400x1200.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!T2-E!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcc67fd9b-f7ab-43d6-a6aa-9a97b1300b87_2400x1200.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!T2-E!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcc67fd9b-f7ab-43d6-a6aa-9a97b1300b87_2400x1200.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!T2-E!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcc67fd9b-f7ab-43d6-a6aa-9a97b1300b87_2400x1200.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!T2-E!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcc67fd9b-f7ab-43d6-a6aa-9a97b1300b87_2400x1200.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!T2-E!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcc67fd9b-f7ab-43d6-a6aa-9a97b1300b87_2400x1200.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!T2-E!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcc67fd9b-f7ab-43d6-a6aa-9a97b1300b87_2400x1200.png" width="1456" height="728" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/cc67fd9b-f7ab-43d6-a6aa-9a97b1300b87_2400x1200.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:728,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:1381524,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Deep Engineering banner. Quote from Imran Ahmad reading \&quot;The model will still be wrong inside the shell. Watch what it can no longer do about it.\&quot; with his headshot at right.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:true,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://deepengineering.net/i/215000236?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcc67fd9b-f7ab-43d6-a6aa-9a97b1300b87_2400x1200.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Deep Engineering banner. Quote from Imran Ahmad reading &quot;The model will still be wrong inside the shell. Watch what it can no longer do about it.&quot; with his headshot at right." title="Deep Engineering banner. Quote from Imran Ahmad reading &quot;The model will still be wrong inside the shell. 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At ARC 2026 nobody argued with the diagnosis. What the room wanted was the build.</p><p>One question from the floor put it precisely. Can you trace one request through all the rings?</p><p>Yes. It is worth doing slowly, because each ring catches a different failure, and most teams have built two of the five without ever noticing which three are missing.</p><p>One clarification before we start. This is the production picture, where the model already sits in the request path and a customer waits at the other end. Using a model to help you <em>write</em> software is a different problem with a different shape, and I will come back to it separately.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iRfX!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F69ad2ac0-e416-4e9d-840c-4cc1829501da_2400x1600.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iRfX!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F69ad2ac0-e416-4e9d-840c-4cc1829501da_2400x1600.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iRfX!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F69ad2ac0-e416-4e9d-840c-4cc1829501da_2400x1600.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iRfX!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F69ad2ac0-e416-4e9d-840c-4cc1829501da_2400x1600.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iRfX!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F69ad2ac0-e416-4e9d-840c-4cc1829501da_2400x1600.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iRfX!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F69ad2ac0-e416-4e9d-840c-4cc1829501da_2400x1600.png" width="1456" height="971" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/69ad2ac0-e416-4e9d-840c-4cc1829501da_2400x1600.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:971,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:324516,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Five concentric rings around a central probabilistic core. 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There is a widespread instinct to answer this in the prompt, to add a line asking the model to behave responsibly and decline anything suspicious. That instinct is the mistake. A prompt is an instruction to a component that samples. It is not a control.</p><p>Input validation is a security boundary. It detects hostile, malformed, or policy-disallowed requests and refuses them before the probabilistic core is ever invoked. In the demo I ran at ARC, the injection attempt never reached the model at all. No tokens, no latency, no blast radius, and a clean log line saying what was refused and why.</p><p>It is also the cheapest ring to build, which is why it is a strange one to skip.</p><h3>The model can reason beautifully from the wrong document</h3><p>This is the layer teams most often underestimate, and usually the layer that produced the incident they are investigating.</p><p>The $4,200 refund promise was not a reasoning failure. Retrieval had served the wrong policy. In the traced run, the monthly-trial refund document scored 19 and the annual-license document scored 6, so the model read a thirty-day guarantee that applied to a different product and reasoned about it correctly. Everything downstream of that retrieval was working exactly as designed.</p><p>RAG is automated context assembly, and it inherits every property of the algorithm underneath it. Neighborhood chunking is a best-effort strategy. There is no intelligence in the assembly step itself, no verification that what arrived is the ground truth for <em>this</em> request. You are depending on a probabilistic retriever to feed a probabilistic model and then expressing surprise at a probabilistic answer.</p><p>Two consequences follow. The first is that a context window is a budget you assemble, not a stream you append to. Instructions, conversation history, and retrieved knowledge all compete for the same finite space, and when one grows the others are silently squeezed.</p><p>The second is that position is a feature. Liu et al. measured this in <a href="https://aclanthology.org/2024.tacl-1.9.pdf">Lost in the Middle</a> (TACL, 2024): with the answer-bearing document first of twenty, GPT-3.5-Turbo scored 75.8%. With the same document buried mid-stack, 53.8%. The closed-book baseline, with no documents at all, was 56.1%. Loading the right information in the wrong place performed worse than loading nothing.</p><p>Treat what the model sees as application state. Assemble it deliberately, and log it.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-QO9!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbd8eccf1-6355-46b4-8298-ca19d0cc1913_2400x1600.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-QO9!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbd8eccf1-6355-46b4-8298-ca19d0cc1913_2400x1600.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-QO9!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbd8eccf1-6355-46b4-8298-ca19d0cc1913_2400x1600.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-QO9!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbd8eccf1-6355-46b4-8298-ca19d0cc1913_2400x1600.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-QO9!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbd8eccf1-6355-46b4-8298-ca19d0cc1913_2400x1600.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-QO9!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbd8eccf1-6355-46b4-8298-ca19d0cc1913_2400x1600.png" width="1456" height="971" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/bd8eccf1-6355-46b4-8298-ca19d0cc1913_2400x1600.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:971,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:199588,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;A single context window divided into three competing segments labelled instructions, conversation history, and retrieved knowledge, with an arrow showing history expanding and squeezing the other two.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://deepengineering.net/i/215000236?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbd8eccf1-6355-46b4-8298-ca19d0cc1913_2400x1600.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="A single context window divided into three competing segments labelled instructions, conversation history, and retrieved knowledge, with an arrow showing history expanding and squeezing the other two." title="A single context window divided into three competing segments labelled instructions, conversation history, and retrieved knowledge, with an arrow showing history expanding and squeezing the other two." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-QO9!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbd8eccf1-6355-46b4-8298-ca19d0cc1913_2400x1600.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-QO9!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbd8eccf1-6355-46b4-8298-ca19d0cc1913_2400x1600.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-QO9!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbd8eccf1-6355-46b4-8298-ca19d0cc1913_2400x1600.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-QO9!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbd8eccf1-6355-46b4-8298-ca19d0cc1913_2400x1600.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h3>Your code owns the loop</h3><p>The model may propose an action. It does not decide what happens next.</p><p>That sentence sounds obvious and is routinely violated, because handing the loop to the model is the path of least resistance. Ask an autonomous agent to deploy an application and watch what happens when the rollout fails. A human engineer stops, reads the logs, and calls someone. The agent has a different objective. Deployment failed, so retry.</p><p>In the demo I ran, an unbounded deploy agent made thirteen attempts across a weekend, orphaning a render node on each one, and paged nobody. Thirteen nodes at thirty dollars an hour over sixty hours comes to $23,400. Finance saw the number on Monday morning before engineering saw the loop.</p><p>The bounded version of the same agent stops at three attempts. A circuit breaker opens, the attached nodes are released, the on-call engineer is paged, and the weekend costs nothing. The difference between the two architectures is one missing conditional.</p><p>Autonomy is a dial, not a switch. Every loop needs five things in code and not in a prompt: a step budget, a cost budget, a tool allowlist, a stop condition, and an escalation path. If you cannot name all five for a loop you are already running, that loop is unbounded and you have not measured it yet.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9O8H!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c28b26d-de47-4c1f-80f6-315bf7324065_2400x1600.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9O8H!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c28b26d-de47-4c1f-80f6-315bf7324065_2400x1600.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9O8H!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c28b26d-de47-4c1f-80f6-315bf7324065_2400x1600.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9O8H!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c28b26d-de47-4c1f-80f6-315bf7324065_2400x1600.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9O8H!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c28b26d-de47-4c1f-80f6-315bf7324065_2400x1600.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9O8H!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c28b26d-de47-4c1f-80f6-315bf7324065_2400x1600.png" width="1456" height="971" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/9c28b26d-de47-4c1f-80f6-315bf7324065_2400x1600.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:971,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:208012,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Two parallel timelines. The upper shows thirteen failed retry attempts accumulating orphaned nodes to a $23,400 total. The lower shows three attempts, a circuit breaker, cleanup and a page, totalling zero.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://deepengineering.net/i/215000236?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c28b26d-de47-4c1f-80f6-315bf7324065_2400x1600.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Two parallel timelines. The upper shows thirteen failed retry attempts accumulating orphaned nodes to a $23,400 total. The lower shows three attempts, a circuit breaker, cleanup and a page, totalling zero." title="Two parallel timelines. The upper shows thirteen failed retry attempts accumulating orphaned nodes to a $23,400 total. The lower shows three attempts, a circuit breaker, cleanup and a page, totalling zero." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9O8H!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c28b26d-de47-4c1f-80f6-315bf7324065_2400x1600.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9O8H!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c28b26d-de47-4c1f-80f6-315bf7324065_2400x1600.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9O8H!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c28b26d-de47-4c1f-80f6-315bf7324065_2400x1600.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9O8H!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c28b26d-de47-4c1f-80f6-315bf7324065_2400x1600.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><h3>Nothing unauthorized leaves</h3><p>Here is the part of the ARC demo that surprised the room.</p><p>The same model, inside the shell, produced the same wrong answer. It still wanted to approve the refund. Nothing about the five rings makes a probabilistic component deterministic, and any architecture that claims otherwise is selling something.</p><p>What changed is what the wrong answer could do. The output guard caught a refund promise above the $400 auto-approval ceiling with no verified eligibility, and the request was escalated instead of sent. The customer received a reply saying a specialist would review the ticket, and noting that the assistant had made no commitments.</p><p>Contained, not cured. That distinction is the entire discipline. Your policy ceiling belongs in an enforcement function that runs on every response, expressed as code that a reviewer can read and a test can exercise. Pleading with a model is not a control.</p><h3>Every decision becomes data</h3><p>The last ring records what happened. The request, the context that was assembled, the draft the model produced, and the reply that actually went out. It is sometimes called a provenance layer, and its value is not the dashboard. It is the question you will ask at 2am after an incident, which is always some version of <em>what did the model actually see</em>.</p><p>Without it you are debugging a probabilistic system from its outputs alone.</p><p>Telemetry also catches the failure mode I find scariest, which is silent degradation. A retrieval index gets rebuilt, recall quietly drops, and every request still returns HTTP 200 carrying a slightly worse answer. Error rates do not move. Nobody files a ticket. Watching the logs is not a plan.</p><p>The countermeasure is a golden dataset, a version-controlled collection of real cases where each entry carries both the input and the context it should have been given. The $4,200 ticket became <code>golden_0047</code> in mine, preserved with the customer&#8217;s actual words, the trap included, graded against a rubric, and sourced back to the post-mortem that produced it. You keep enriching it, and you stop relying on errors to tell you quality has slipped. The dataset is the spec.</p><h3>About forty lines before it becomes a platform</h3><p>None of this is exotic. Written out, the whole shell reads like this.</p><div class="highlighted_code_block" data-attrs="{&quot;language&quot;:&quot;python&quot;,&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;14cda90d-e80d-4425-b606-27e8b6025317&quot;}" data-component-name="HighlightedCodeBlockToDOM"><pre class="shiki"><code class="language-python">
def handle(request):
    if not input_guard.is_safe(request):        # what must never happen
        return refuse(request)
    ctx = context.assemble(request)             # what does the model see
    route = router.dispatch(request, ctx)       # who controls the loop
    draft = model.complete(route.prompt, ctx)   # the probabilistic core
    reply = output_guard.enforce(draft)         # policy as code
    telemetry.emit(request, ctx, draft, reply)  # how do I know it works
    return reply</code></pre></div><p>One line of that function is probabilistic. The other six are ordinary, testable, frankly boring software, and boring is a compliment here. It is what fifty years of engineering practice looks like when you point it at a component that answers differently on Tuesday than it did on Monday.</p><h3>One request, all five rings</h3><p>Which brings us back to the question from the floor. Traced end to end, the refund ticket produces this:</p><div class="highlighted_code_block" data-attrs="{&quot;language&quot;:&quot;plaintext&quot;,&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;cd9933ab-0e00-410a-a36d-103d31ff7aaa&quot;}" data-component-name="HighlightedCodeBlockToDOM"><pre class="shiki"><code class="language-plaintext">
[SUCCESS] is_safe_input -&gt; True for 'Hi, we activated Studio Pro for our team six'
[INFO] retrieved 'refunds-monthly-trial' (score=19)
[INFO] retrieved 'refunds-annual-licenses' (score=6)
[INFO] router: intent=refund -&gt; one bounded model call with curated context
[HANDLED ERROR] refund promise above the $400 auto-approval ceiling
                with no verified eligibility - escalating to a human
[SUCCESS] telemetry write succeeded.
shell: This request needs human review. Your ticket has been escalated to a
       support specialist, and the assistant made no commitments.</code></pre></div><p>Five rings, one request, six log lines. Notice that the retrieval ranking error is visible in the trace rather than buried in a wrong answer, and that the escalation is a recorded decision rather than an absence of one. The model call is one step inside a much larger lifecycle, which is the reason the shell exists at all.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-3lr!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F02c8a68b-b9dd-4870-aa83-52d3a1838824_2400x1600.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-3lr!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F02c8a68b-b9dd-4870-aa83-52d3a1838824_2400x1600.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-3lr!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F02c8a68b-b9dd-4870-aa83-52d3a1838824_2400x1600.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-3lr!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F02c8a68b-b9dd-4870-aa83-52d3a1838824_2400x1600.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-3lr!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F02c8a68b-b9dd-4870-aa83-52d3a1838824_2400x1600.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-3lr!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F02c8a68b-b9dd-4870-aa83-52d3a1838824_2400x1600.png" width="1456" height="971" 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move the needle furthest for the least work.</p><p>Write one output guard for your highest-consequence must-never-happen, and an auto-approval ceiling is a good first one because the rule is unambiguous and the test is trivial. Put a step budget, a cost budget, and a stop condition on every loop you already run in production. And log what the model saw alongside every response, because the first incident you investigate without that log will cost more than building it.</p><p>None of these needs a new model, a new vendor, or a machine learning background. It is ordinary software engineering pointed at a probabilistic component, which is the argument of <em>Building Reliable AI-Assisted Software</em>, my book forthcoming from Packt.</p><p>The demo lies. Production tells the truth. Build for production.</p><div><hr></div><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><strong>Editorial note:</strong> This article is adapted from <strong>Imran Ahmad&#8217;s</strong> ARC 2026 session, Designing Reliable AI Systems, delivered on 25 July 2026. The session recording, the presentation, and the demo output were condensed and reordered for print, with the diagnosis section omitted because it was published separately in July.</p></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[How 10 years of C++ changed the way I see a C++ project]]></title><description><![CDATA[Component boundaries, target-centric CMake, and code designed for testability in a small Qt application.]]></description><link>https://deepengineering.net/p/how-10-years-of-c-changed-the-way</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://deepengineering.net/p/how-10-years-of-c-changed-the-way</guid><pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2026 21:02:19 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/32a5711c-06d0-47fd-bc24-73ba821837c5_3200x1200.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>By <a href="https://de.linkedin.com/in/nikolai-kutiavin">Nikolai Kutiavin</a>, C++ engineer writing on architecture and build systems</p></blockquote><p>If you asked me today to build the same C++ application I built as a student, the result would look completely different.</p><p>Not because I know more C++ syntax.</p><p>I would still use many of the same classes, containers, algorithms, and language features. What changed much more is <strong>how I see the application itself</strong>.</p><p>As a student, I saw a C++ project mostly as a collection of files and classes. My questions were simple: Which <code>.cpp</code> files do I need? Where should this new class go? How do I make everything compile?</p><p>After more than ten years of professional C++ development, I start with different questions: What are the components of this application? What responsibilities belong to each of them? Which dependencies should be allowed? How can they be tested independently? And how should the build system enforce these decisions?</p><p>This difference matters because a professional application has to do much more than work once.</p><p><strong>It has to remain understandable, testable, and changeable after months or years of development.</strong></p><p>That change in perspective did not come from learning one particular C++ feature. It came from maintaining production code, dealing with changing requirements, fixing architectural mistakes, writing tests, working with build systems, and discovering which decisions make a codebase easier to evolve and which ones make every future change more painful.</p><p>To make this shift concrete, consider a deliberately small example: a grep-like desktop application with a Qt user interface.</p><p>I will show how I would have approached this application as a student, and how I would design the same application today.</p><h2>From files to components</h2><p>As a student, I rarely thought about splitting an application into components.</p><p>I usually started with whatever project structure my IDE generated. When I needed a new class, I created another <code>.h</code> and <code>.cpp</code> file in the same project directory.</p><p>Suppose I had been asked to build a grep-like application with a Qt user interface.</p><p>I would probably have started with the generated <code>MainWindow</code> class. User interaction, error handling, and search logic would gradually accumulate in <code>mainwindow.cpp</code>.</p><p>I probably would not have put <em>everything</em> into that class. Some file-related operations might have escaped into the traditional refuge of homeless functionality:</p><p><code>utils.h</code> and <code>utils.cpp</code>.</p><p>And I would have ended up with something like this:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1AI_!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F452b0a3b-ae87-4011-b6c7-27132ba6a3fa_3200x1120.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1AI_!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F452b0a3b-ae87-4011-b6c7-27132ba6a3fa_3200x1120.png 424w, 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Dependencies become implicit. Changing one part of the program unexpectedly affects another. Testing the search logic requires dealing with GUI code.</p><p>Today, I would start from a different question:</p><p><strong>What are the components of this application?</strong></p><p>For this small program, I might identify three:</p><ul><li><p><strong>files-search</strong>: file operations and match lookup;</p></li><li><p><strong>gui</strong>: user interaction and presentation;</p></li><li><p><strong>main</strong>: application composition and startup.</p></li></ul><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5zRI!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fade39324-2349-4d25-931c-8a96940d9517_3200x1240.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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Its implementation details can remain internal while only a small interface is exposed to other components.</p><p>As a result, I can change the implementation of file searching without rewriting the GUI. I can also test the search component without starting a Qt application.</p><p>The important shift is this:</p><p><strong>I no longer see the application primarily as a collection of source files. I see it as a collection of cooperating components.</strong></p><p>Files are merely the physical representation of that architecture.</p><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><span>If you recognize </span><strong><span>your own projects</span></strong><span> in the &#8220;</span><strong><span>student</span></strong><span>&#8221; version above, this is exactly the transition I explore in my book, </span><strong><a href="https://sqglobe.com/no-more-helloworlds-build-a-real-c-app/"><span>No More Helloworlds: Build a Real C++ App</span></a></strong><a href="https://sqglobe.com/no-more-helloworlds-build-a-real-c-app/"><span>.</span></a></p><p>The book builds a complete C++ application step by step and shows how <strong>project structure</strong>, <strong>architecture</strong>, <strong>CMake</strong>, <strong>testing</strong>, and <strong>development practices</strong> fit together in a <strong>real project</strong>.</p></div><h2>From &#8220;it compiles&#8221; to build architecture</h2><p>As a student, I considered CMake mainly as a way to tell the build system which <code>.cpp</code> files to compile. For the grep-like application, I would have created a single <strong>CMakeLists.txt</strong> in the root of the project defining one executable.</p><p>Today, I see the build system as another tool for expressing architecture.</p><p>I physically separate components and place them into dedicated subdirectories in the project tree. Each component contains its own <strong>CMakeLists.txt</strong>, which defines:</p><ul><li><p>the source files that belong to the component,</p></li><li><p>properties that are implementation details,</p></li><li><p>properties exposed as part of its public API.</p></li></ul><p>The root directory then contains a <strong>CMakeLists.txt</strong> that sets up the project-wide build configuration and includes the component-specific subdirectories:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Tndm!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F615495ea-343e-45ca-a221-aafac9ea2204_3200x1480.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Tndm!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F615495ea-343e-45ca-a221-aafac9ea2204_3200x1480.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Tndm!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F615495ea-343e-45ca-a221-aafac9ea2204_3200x1480.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Tndm!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F615495ea-343e-45ca-a221-aafac9ea2204_3200x1480.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Tndm!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F615495ea-343e-45ca-a221-aafac9ea2204_3200x1480.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img 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D3&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://deepengineering.net/i/214944218?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F615495ea-343e-45ca-a221-aafac9ea2204_3200x1480.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Project tree for grep-gui showing a root CMakeLists.txt alongside files-search, gui and main subdirectories, each with its own CMakeLists.txt Prompt ID: D3" title="Project tree for grep-gui showing a root CMakeLists.txt alongside files-search, gui and main subdirectories, each with its own CMakeLists.txt Prompt ID: D3" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Tndm!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F615495ea-343e-45ca-a221-aafac9ea2204_3200x1480.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Tndm!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F615495ea-343e-45ca-a221-aafac9ea2204_3200x1480.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Tndm!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F615495ea-343e-45ca-a221-aafac9ea2204_3200x1480.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Tndm!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F615495ea-343e-45ca-a221-aafac9ea2204_3200x1480.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>For example, a component-specific <strong>CMakeLists.txt</strong> may define:</p><ul><li><p>include directories containing publicly available headers,</p></li><li><p>include directories containing implementation-only headers,</p></li><li><p>libraries used only by the implementation.</p></li></ul><p>These relationships are expressed using the <code>PUBLIC</code> and <code>PRIVATE</code> keywords in the corresponding CMake commands.</p><p>If <strong>files-search</strong> uses <strong>Boost.Filesystem</strong> only as an implementation detail and keeps its public headers in the <em>include</em> directory, its <strong>CMakeLists.txt</strong> might look like this:</p><div class="highlighted_code_block" data-attrs="{&quot;language&quot;:&quot;plaintext&quot;,&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;bd9ee293-43c0-4ada-9981-5a60bdfa5cd5&quot;}" data-component-name="HighlightedCodeBlockToDOM"><pre class="shiki"><code class="language-plaintext">add_library(files-search ...)

target_include_directories(files-search PRIVATE src)
target_include_directories(files-search PUBLIC include)
target_link_libraries(files-search PRIVATE Boost::filesystem)</code></pre></div><p>Any property marked as <code>PUBLIC</code> is propagated to targets that link against <strong>files-search</strong>.</p><p>This gives <strong>gui</strong> access to the headers in <em>files-search/include</em> while keeping the headers from <em>files-search/src</em> private.</p><p>So, my takeaway is:</p><p><strong>A target-centric approach makes it easier to configure individual components and enforce architectural boundaries by exposing only their public APIs.</strong></p><h2>From &#8220;the code works&#8221; to testability</h2><p>As a student, the most important thing for me was simply to compile and run the application.</p><p>If a user did something unexpected or a system failure occurred, well, that was the user&#8217;s problem.</p><p>Today, I have a clear understanding that automated tests are an essential part of the development cycle. They help ensure that each new change does not break existing behavior.</p><p>When I design a class or function, I always keep testability in mind.</p><p>For example, suppose a function in <strong>files-search</strong> needs to search a file for matches against a regular expression. Instead of accepting a concrete <code>std::ifstream</code> or a file path, I would make it work with the more general <code>std::istream</code> interface:</p><div class="highlighted_code_block" data-attrs="{&quot;language&quot;:&quot;cpp&quot;,&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;43a17cef-8977-46cd-8317-18091687c596&quot;}" data-component-name="HighlightedCodeBlockToDOM"><pre class="shiki"><code class="language-cpp">auto findMatches(std::istream&amp; is, std::regex reg) {
  // ...
}</code></pre></div><p>This makes testing much simpler. A test can construct an <code>std::istringstream</code> with predefined content and pass it directly to the function.</p><p>In production, the same function can receive an already opened file through an <code>std::ifstream</code>:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uh3d!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd91e3cfd-284b-4a35-b648-39b8c04f73cc_3200x1400.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uh3d!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd91e3cfd-284b-4a35-b648-39b8c04f73cc_3200x1400.png 424w, 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predefined input during automated tests. If a new change causes an existing test to fail, it is a strong indication that either the change introduced a bug or the expected behavior has changed.</p><p>So, my takeaway is:</p><p><strong>Automated tests help catch bugs and regressions, but functions and types also need to be designed with testability in mind.</strong></p><h2>From classes to boundaries</h2><p>As a student, I mostly thought about design in terms of classes.</p><p>When a new piece of functionality appeared, my first question was usually which class should implement it.</p><p>This often led to classes knowing too much about each other. For example, the GUI could directly use types from the internal implementation of <strong>files-search</strong>, access its data structures, or depend on details of how files were opened and processed.</p><p>The application might still be split into multiple classes, but those classes would remain tightly coupled.</p><p>Today, I pay much more attention to the boundaries between components.</p><p>For example, the <strong>gui</strong> component does not need to know how <strong>files-search</strong> traverses directories, reads files, or represents matches internally. It only needs a small contract for starting a search and receiving the result.</p><p>Instead of exposing implementation-specific types, I might define a small public API:</p><div class="highlighted_code_block" data-attrs="{&quot;language&quot;:&quot;cpp&quot;,&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;5f833fd6-3110-4cba-839a-0a89c5ad60c5&quot;}" data-component-name="HighlightedCodeBlockToDOM"><pre class="shiki"><code class="language-cpp">struct SearchRequest {
    std::filesystem::path directory;
    std::string pattern;
};

struct SearchMatch {
    std::filesystem::path file;
    std::size_t line;
    std::string text;
};

std::vector&lt;SearchMatch&gt; search(const SearchRequest&amp; request);</code></pre></div><p>The GUI now depends only on <code>SearchRequest</code>, <code>SearchMatch</code>, and the <code>search()</code> function.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!51Fb!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F91814045-f07b-488e-8251-b5bb59098301_3200x1720.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!51Fb!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F91814045-f07b-488e-8251-b5bb59098301_3200x1720.png 424w, 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fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Everything else can remain an implementation detail of <strong>files-search</strong>.</p><p>This becomes especially important when the implementation changes. The component may switch to another regular-expression library, process files concurrently, or use a different strategy for directory traversal. As long as its public contract remains unchanged, the GUI does not need to know about those changes.</p><p>The same applies to errors. Instead of leaking implementation-specific exceptions across the component boundary, I can decide explicitly which failures are part of the public API and how the caller should handle them.</p><p>So, my takeaway is:</p><p><strong>Good architecture is not just about splitting code into classes and components. It is also about minimizing what crosses the boundaries between them.</strong></p><h2>From isolated lessons to a complete project</h2><p>The ideas above are not separate tricks.</p><p>Project structure affects build configuration. Build configuration reflects architectural boundaries. Architecture influences testability. And all of these decisions become part of the development workflow.</p><p>This is probably the biggest change in how I think about C++ after more than ten years of professional development: I no longer see these topics as independent skills.</p><p>They are parts of the same engineering process.</p><div><hr></div><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><strong>Submitted</strong> by <a href="https://de.linkedin.com/in/nikolai-kutiavin">Nikolai Kutiavin</a>. Edited by <a href="https://in.linkedin.com/in/s-jan">Saqib Jan.</a></p><p>By <a href="https://de.linkedin.com/in/nikolai-kutiavin">Nikolai Kutiavin</a>, software engineer with more than ten years of experience in C++, and previously an automotive software engineer at BMW. He writes about C++, CMake, architecture, and testing at <a href="https://sqglobe.com/">sqglobe.com</a> and in his newsletter <a href="https://sqglobe.com/from-complexity-to-essence-in-c/">From Complexity to Essence in C++</a>. He is the author of <a href="https://sqglobe.com/no-more-helloworlds-build-a-real-c-app/">No More Helloworlds: Build a Real C++ App</a>, which develops a complete C++ application step by step and shows how CMake, testing, architecture, Git, and CI fit together in practice.</p></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Are You Ready for 47-Day TLS Certificates?]]></title><description><![CDATA[Join the webinar to see how enterprise teams can reduce certificate outages, automate certificate lifecycles, and prepare for shorter validity periods.]]></description><link>https://deepengineering.net/p/are-you-ready-for-47-day-tls-certificates</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://deepengineering.net/p/are-you-ready-for-47-day-tls-certificates</guid><pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2026 13:30:29 GMT</pubDate><enclosure 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Public certificates are moving toward </span><strong><span>47-day validity</span></strong><span>, which will make the manual renewal processes many teams rely on today much harder to manage.</span></p><p><span>There will be more certificates, more renewals, and more opportunities for something to expire unnoticed and cause an outage.</span></p><p><span>That&#8217;s why we&#8217;re hosting a live webinar on what shorter certificate lifetimes mean for enterprise teams and how to prepare for them.</span></p><p></p><p style="text-align: center;"><strong><span>Webinar: Why Certificate Management Has to Change</span></strong><br>&#128467;&#65039; <span>Wednesday, September 16 | 12:00 p.m. CT / 1:00 p.m. ET | 45 minutes</span></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.vpdae.com/redirect/u0628kz68zn974pyscq0ojrb4hb&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Save your seat&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.vpdae.com/redirect/u0628kz68zn974pyscq0ojrb4hb"><span>Save your seat</span></a></p><div><hr></div><p><span>In the 45 minute webinar, we&#8217;ll cover:</span></p><ul><li><p><span>How to prepare for shorter TLS certificate lifetimes</span></p></li><li><p><span>How to reduce outages caused by expired or unmanaged certificates</span></p></li><li><p><span>What a modern certificate lifecycle looks like, from discovery through automated renewal</span></p></li><li><p><span>How to manage certificates across private and external CAs</span></p></li></ul><p><strong><span>Can&#8217;t make it live? 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</span><a href="https://luma.com/fde-workshop?utm_source=deepeng">Forward Deployed Engineering Workshop</a></strong></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://luma.com/fde-workshop?utm_source=deepeng" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cIn2!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F89cd71bf-7379-4f81-8347-dbcd9143b329_800x267.webp 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cIn2!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F89cd71bf-7379-4f81-8347-dbcd9143b329_800x267.webp 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cIn2!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F89cd71bf-7379-4f81-8347-dbcd9143b329_800x267.webp 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cIn2!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F89cd71bf-7379-4f81-8347-dbcd9143b329_800x267.webp 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cIn2!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F89cd71bf-7379-4f81-8347-dbcd9143b329_800x267.webp" width="800" height="267" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/89cd71bf-7379-4f81-8347-dbcd9143b329_800x267.webp&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:267,&quot;width&quot;:800,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:&quot;https://luma.com/fde-workshop?utm_source=deepeng&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:true,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cIn2!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F89cd71bf-7379-4f81-8347-dbcd9143b329_800x267.webp 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cIn2!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F89cd71bf-7379-4f81-8347-dbcd9143b329_800x267.webp 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cIn2!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F89cd71bf-7379-4f81-8347-dbcd9143b329_800x267.webp 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cIn2!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F89cd71bf-7379-4f81-8347-dbcd9143b329_800x267.webp 1456w" sizes="100vw" fetchpriority="high"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Scope a 90-day agent deployment for a regulated customer, then defend it in a CISO hot seat. Two live sessions with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/keithbourne/">Keith Bourne</a>, Forward Deployed AI Engineer at <strong>Tribe AI</strong>, and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/tanya-dixit-computer-vision/">Tanya Dixit</a>, Forward Deployed Engineer at <strong>Google</strong>.</p><p style="text-align: center;">&#128467;&#65039; <strong>19</strong> and <strong>20</strong> September &#183; Early bird <strong>40%</strong> off</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://luma.com/fde-workshop?utm_source=deepeng&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Reserve your seat&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://luma.com/fde-workshop?utm_source=deepeng"><span>Reserve your seat</span></a></p><div><hr></div><p>&#9997;&#65039;<strong> From the editor&#8217;s desk</strong></p><p>Welcome to the <strong>62nd</strong> issue of Deep Engineering!</p><p>The <a href="https://a2a-protocol.org/latest/blog/2026/08/27/a-new-chapter-for-a2a-joining-the-agentic-ai-foundation/">Agentic AI Foundation has officially accepted Agent2Agent</a> as a Growth Stage project, joining MCP, AGENTS.md, Goose and agentgateway under Linux Foundation governance. That means two major interoperability protocols now share a home, each keeping its own maintainers and release schedule.</p><p>Governance settling is useful up to a point, but it does not tell you how to build. A specification describes how an agent may call a tool or talk to another agent. It does not describe what happens on your side of that exchange, which is where nearly all of the engineering actually is.</p><p>That is our focus in today&#8217;s issue, featuring <a href="https://jamesward.com">James Ward</a>, who works on agent experience at <strong>AWS</strong>, represents Amazon on the <a href="https://aaif.io/">AAIF</a> technical committee, and created WebJars.</p><p>You can read the <a href="https://deepengineering.net/p/agents-are-llms-with-integrations-james-ward">complete deep dive</a>, where he builds the integration layer in Java with Spring AI, starting from a model that cannot tell you the time.</p><p>Let&#8217;s get started.</p><div><hr></div><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><strong><a href="https://moyai.ai/?utm_source=newsletter&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=packt"><span>Moyai</span></a><span> - </span><a href="https://moyai.ai/?utm_source=newsletter&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=packt"><span>Monitor your agents for failures</span></a></strong></p><p>Stop guessing whether your agents are failing. <strong>Moyai</strong> surfaces behavioral anomalies in your agent traces and classifies each failure with root cause analysis and remediation steps. </p><p><em>Works on your existing observability stack, no new SDK required.</em></p><p><strong><a href="https://moyai.ai/?utm_source=newsletter&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=packt">&#8594; Get early access to Moyai</a></strong></p></div><div><hr></div><p><strong>&#129504; Practical Deep Dive</strong></p><h2>Agents Are Just LLMs With Integrations, Running in a Loop</h2><p><em><span>by </span><a href="https://jamesward.com/">James Ward</a><span>, Edited by </span><a href="https://open.substack.com/users/427210082-saqib-jan?utm_source=mentions"><span>Saqib Jan</span></a></em></p><p>Let me start with the thing that makes all of this necessary.</p><p>Go to your agent and ask it what the current weather is. It will tell you it does not have access to real-time weather data or your location, and suggest you look out of the window. Ask it what time it is and you get the same shape of answer, because it does not have a clock. That is not a failure. <strong>By default, LLMs have no access to external things. They are just a model.</strong></p><p>The way I think about what an LLM actually is: a knowledgeable translator. It translates natural language to natural language, natural language to an image, an image to natural language, natural language to structured data, structured data to structured data, natural language to a programming language. That is all it does. Everything else you want from an agent has to be built around it.</p><p>An agent, then, is not complicated. You take an environment, usually a history of messages plus whatever else you want to carry. You take tools, the things you want to give the model access to. You add a system prompt to give it a goal or a personality. 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15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">An agent is a model, some tools, some state and a system prompt, running until it decides it is finished.</figcaption></figure></div><blockquote><p>All the code is at <a href="https://github.com/jamesward/agent-integration-demo">github.com/jamesward/agent-integration-demo</a>, and I am using Spring AI and Java throughout.</p></blockquote><h3>Inference is the easy part, and it is worth seeing what is on the wire</h3><p>Spring AI hit 1.0 a little over a year ago, and it gives you one abstraction across model providers. I am using AWS Bedrock with the Converse API and the Nova Pro model, but there are around 250 models on Bedrock and you could just as easily point this at Ollama running locally. The provider is a config change.</p><p>In the application you inject a <code>ChatClient.Builder</code> rather than a concrete client, and the reason matters. In a real system you will want several chat clients, one on a large model and one on something faster and cheaper, and your agentic architecture will route between them.</p><p>The basic call is a user prompt, <code>.call()</code>, and <code>.content()</code>. Ask it to say hello and it says hello.</p><p>More useful is structured output. Define a Java record, annotate a field with <code>@JsonPropertyDescription("most popular food")</code>, and ask for a <code>List&lt;City&gt;</code> back using <code>.entity()</code> with a <code>ParameterizedTypeReference</code> because of how Java generics are reified. What happens underneath is that the record&#8217;s metadata gets sent to the model so it knows how to shape a response that will deserialize cleanly. When you are building agentic applications, <strong>it very often makes more sense to interact with the model through structured data than through free-form text.</strong></p><p>I want to demystify what is actually happening on those calls, because the API is concise and what goes over the wire is not. Run it in debug mode and you see the request carries the message, the media slots for images, the max tokens from your settings, the model name, a pile of defaults and the system message. The response carries metadata about rate limits, prompt tokens in, completion tokens out, total tracked, and one field worth knowing by name.</p><p><code>finish_reason</code>. On a simple call it comes back as <code>end_turn</code>, which is the model saying it has done what you asked. Hold on to that, because the entire agentic loop turns on it becoming something else.</p><p>Spring AI wires token metadata into Actuator and Micrometer, so you can push those metrics wherever you already send metrics.</p><p>Streaming is a one-word change. Swap <code>.call()</code> for <code>.stream()</code> and you get a <code>Flux</code> of chunks instead of waiting for the whole response to assemble. And a system prompt gives the whole interaction a personality or some grounding. Mine was &#8220;you are a Wookiee from Star Wars,&#8221; and it growled at me. One caution: <strong>you cannot rely on system prompts to protect a system from being used for things you did not intend.</strong> More on that later.</p><h3>Tool calling is a four-step conversation, and the model never touches your tool</h3><p>Now ask what time it is, with no tools defined. The model tells you it has no access to a clock. This is the wall.</p><p>Here is what actually happens when you get past it.</p><p>You send the user message to the model, and alongside it you send metadata describing the tools you have. Just the name, the parameters, the description. <strong>The tool itself is not on the model&#8217;s side. It is on your application&#8217;s side.</strong> You are saying, here is what the user wants, and here are some things I can do if you decide you need them.</p><p>The model looks at the request and responds. And the <code>finish_reason</code> this time is not <code>end_turn</code>, it is <code>tool_use</code>. The model is telling you which tool it needs and what parameters to pass. For a weather question that is <code>get_weather</code> with a city name.</p><p>Your application invokes the tool. No model involvement at all in this step.</p><p>Then you call the model again with the whole history: the original question, the fact that it asked for a tool, and the result you got back. Now it assembles a real answer and comes back with <code>end_turn</code>.</p><p><strong>The key thing to hold on to is that the LLM never invokes anything. You define and call the tools. The model only tells you which ones it wants.</strong></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZwFn!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff49c3e59-b01a-4b4c-9991-a93e31a8182b_2400x1045.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZwFn!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff49c3e59-b01a-4b4c-9991-a93e31a8182b_2400x1045.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZwFn!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff49c3e59-b01a-4b4c-9991-a93e31a8182b_2400x1045.png 848w, 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Your application makes it.</figcaption></figure></div><p>In Spring AI this is short. Annotate a method with <code>@Tool</code> and a description, then pass the containing object to <code>.defaultTools()</code> on your chat client. The description is doing real work, because that is what the model reads when deciding whether the tool is relevant.</p><div class="highlighted_code_block" data-attrs="{&quot;language&quot;:&quot;java&quot;,&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;1124415d-0376-4379-a1ea-92bf615d6ee6&quot;}" data-component-name="HighlightedCodeBlockToDOM"><pre class="shiki"><code class="language-java">@Tool(description = "Get the current date and time in the user's time zone")
String getCurrentDateTime() {
    return LocalDateTime.now()
        .atZone(LocaleContextHolder.getTimeZone().toZoneId())
        .toString();
}</code></pre></div><p>The API for calling this is identical to the basic inference call. Same <code>.call()</code>, same <code>.content()</code>. <strong>Spring AI uses the same API for a single inference as for a full agentic loop</strong>, and the loop just keeps going until it reaches <code>end_turn</code>, making however many tool calls it needs on the way.</p><h3>MCP is the microservices version of the same thing</h3><p>MCP has become the standard way to do tool calling, and you have probably used it in a code assistant with a local server. Plenty of businesses now publish their services as MCP too.</p><p>It works over HTTP, so servers can be remote. Underneath it is JSON-RPC carrying a method, a tool name and arguments. That is genuinely all it is. <strong>MCP is remoting for the tool calling I just described.</strong></p><p>In Spring AI, configure the client with the streamable HTTP protocol and a URL. I pointed mine at a JavaDocs MCP server I built, which gives access to all the Javadocs on Maven Central. Then inject a <code>ToolCallbackProvider</code>, hand it to <code>.defaultTools()</code> alongside your local tools, and the wiring is done. Ask for the latest version of a library and it calls the tool rather than guessing from training data, which is the difference between a correct version number and a plausible one.</p><p>You can build MCP servers with Spring AI as easily as you consume them. But I would push back on wrapping everything. <strong>Most real architectures are a mix of MCP tools and local ones</strong>, and there are good reasons to keep tools local. Something like getting the current date, or doing arithmetic, belongs in the same process as your agent. My general approach to architecture is to start with a monolith, build it so it <em>can</em> become microservices, and only break things out when you need to. The same reasoning applies here exactly.</p><p>The portability is straightforward when you do need it. Take a tool written in Spring, pull it into a separate project, expose it as an MCP server, and the code barely changes. Swap <code>@Tool</code> for <code>@McpTool</code> if you want the MCP-specific features, though <code>@Tool</code> will work as it is. And the security model stays the same, so user identity flows to MCP tools the same way it flows to local ones, which is usually the painful part of that kind of migration and here is not.</p><h3>Too many tools is a token problem and a reasoning problem</h3><p>Here is what breaks at scale. <strong>Every request to the model carries the metadata for every tool you have.</strong> With a hundred tools that is a lot of tokens spent describing capabilities before the model has done anything. And it gets harder for the model to pick the right one as the list grows.</p><p>And it gets harder for the model to pick the right one as the list grows.</p><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p style="text-align: center;"><strong><span data-color="#f97141" style="color: rgb(249, 113, 65);">&#128073; </span><a href="https://deepengineering.net/p/agents-are-llms-with-integrations-james-ward"><span data-color="#f97141" style="color: rgb(249, 113, 65);">Continue reading the complete practical deep dive &#8594;</span></a></strong></p></div><div class="embedded-post-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;id&quot;:213976579,&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://deepengineering.net/p/agents-are-llms-with-integrations-james-ward&quot;,&quot;publication_id&quot;:1729053,&quot;embedding_publication_id&quot;:1729053,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Packt Deep Engineering&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!H5BJ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F736bc1ee-d689-497e-83a8-7d9bf9022eb9_600x600.png&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Agents Are Just LLMs With Integrations, Running in a Loop&quot;,&quot;truncated_body_text&quot;:&quot;By James Ward, Agent Experience at AWS. 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Creator of WebJars, co-author of Effect-Oriented Programming. | This deep dive is based on his Deep Engineering live session, edited by Saqib Jan&#8230;</div><div class="embedded-post-cta-wrapper"><span class="embedded-post-cta">Read more</span></div><div class="embedded-post-meta">23 days ago &#183; Saqib Jan</div></a></div><div><hr></div><h2>&#128736;&#65039; Tool of the Week</h2><p><strong><a href="https://github.com/embabel/embabel-agent">Embabel</a></strong> &#8212; an agent framework on the JVM, built on Spring AI</p><p>Embabel is the layer above Spring AI for teams that want more than a foundation, and it takes a different route through the problems in today&#8217;s issue.</p><ul><li><p>Created by Rod Johnson, who wrote the Spring Framework, so the idioms will be familiar to any Spring team</p></li><li><p>Unfolding tools load domains of tools progressively, an alternative to semantic tool search for teams with a lot of tools</p></li><li><p>DICE, domain integrated context engineering, gives a structured approach to what goes into the context window</p></li><li><p>Sits on top of Spring AI rather than replacing it, so an existing Spring AI application is the starting point</p></li></ul><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://github.com/embabel/embabel-agent&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Learn more about Embabel&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://github.com/embabel/embabel-agent"><span>Learn more about Embabel</span></a></p><div><hr></div><h2>&#128206; Tech Briefs</h2><ul><li><p><a href="https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/release-notes/overview">Claude Platform adds Fable 5.1 tool-call constraints</a> - Claude Fable 5.1 now rejects <code>any</code> and <code>tool</code> choices, pushing tool-call guarantees toward stricter interfaces.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://github.blog/changelog/2026-09-02-content-exclusions-generally-available-in-copilot-app-and-cli">Content exclusions reach Copilot app and CLI</a> - Copilot agents now respect repository, organization, and enterprise exclusions before using files as context automatically.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://docs.mulesoft.com/mulesoft-mcp-server/mulesoft-mcp-server-release-notes">MuleSoft MCP Server expands governance tools</a> - New lineage, classification, model-wallet, and vault tools make MCP-discovered services easier to govern and budget.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.crowdstrike.com/en-us/press-releases/crowdstrike-launches-ai-partner-specialization-for-the-agentic-era/">CrowdStrike launches Verified Agent certification</a> - Falcon partners get a defined validation path before publishing agent integrations to CrowdStrike Marketplace for buyers.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://github.blog/changelog/2026-08-31-github-copilot-in-vs-code-august-2026-releases/">Copilot in VS Code improves agent session handling</a> - Agent sessions gain side chats, portable plugins, transcript navigation, and cross-window continuation in VS Code.</p></li></ul><div><hr></div><p>That&#8217;s all for today. Thank you for reading this issue of Deep Engineering.</p><p>We&#8217;ll be back next week with more expert-led content.</p><p>Keep building,</p><p><a href="https://linkedin.com/in/s-jan">Saqib Jan</a></p><p>Editor-in-Chief, Deep Engineering</p><div><hr></div><p><strong>Partner with Deep Engineering</strong></p><p><em><span>If your company wants to reach senior developers, software engineers, and technical decision-makers, </span><a href="https://packt.omeclk.com/portal/wts/uc%5EcnN2dfNaqmD-kB-mo66%7C7g%5Ef%7Cb"><span>speak to us about partnering</span></a><span> with Deep Engineering.</span></em></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Agents Are Just LLMs With Integrations, Running in a Loop]]></title><description><![CDATA[On Tools, MCP, tool search, skills, memory, RAG and human in the loop, built with Spring AI and Java]]></description><link>https://deepengineering.net/p/agents-are-llms-with-integrations-james-ward</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://deepengineering.net/p/agents-are-llms-with-integrations-james-ward</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Saqib Jan]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2026 09:49:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/b1b4cba5-f22b-4856-82e6-5b8f2dbb5547_2400x1200.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>By <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamesward">James Ward</a>, Agent Experience at <strong>AWS</strong>. Creator of <strong>WebJars</strong>, co-author of <strong>Effect-Oriented Programming</strong>. | This deep dive is based on his Deep Engineering live session, edited by <a href="https://in.linkedin.com/in/s-jan">Saqib Jan</a>.</p></blockquote><p></p><div class="file-embed-wrapper" data-component-name="FileToDOM"><div class="file-embed-container-reader"><div class="file-embed-container-top"><image class="file-embed-thumbnail" src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kq_P!,w_400,h_600,c_fill,f_auto,q_auto:best,fl_progressive:steep,g_auto/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe88a4478-a03c-4643-9622-d3483d35fc5e_80x80.webp"></image><div class="file-embed-details"><div class="file-embed-details-h1">Strategies for AI Agent Augmentation and Integration</div><div class="file-embed-details-h2">3.94MB &#8729; PDF file</div></div><a class="file-embed-button wide" href="https://deepengineering.net/api/v1/file/0c202fae-c73d-4f50-9ff7-c0b05dee5eb3.pdf"><span class="file-embed-button-text">Download</span></a></div><div class="file-embed-description">James Ward's slides from the live session, covering tools, MCP, tool search, skills, memory, RAG and human in the loop.</div><a class="file-embed-button narrow" href="https://deepengineering.net/api/v1/file/0c202fae-c73d-4f50-9ff7-c0b05dee5eb3.pdf"><span class="file-embed-button-text">Download</span></a></div></div><p></p><p>I work on agent experience at AWS, which means making it easy for you to build on AWS from inside your AI agents. The other part of my job is the new Agentic AI Foundation, where MCP, AGENTS.md, Goose and Agent Gateway are being standardized under the Linux Foundation. I represent Amazon on that technical committee.</p><p>Let me start with the thing that makes all of this necessary.</p><p>Go to your agent and ask it what the current weather is. It will tell you it does not have access to real-time weather data or your location, and suggest you look out of the window. Ask it what time it is and you get the same shape of answer, because it does not have a clock. That is not a failure. <strong>By default, LLMs have no access to external things. They are just a model.</strong></p><p>The way I think about what an LLM actually is: a knowledgeable translator. It translates natural language to natural language, natural language to an image, an image to natural language, natural language to structured data, structured data to structured data, natural language to a programming language. That is all it does. Everything else you want from an agent has to be built around it.</p><p>An agent, then, is not complicated. You take an environment, usually a history of messages plus whatever else you want to carry. You take tools, the things you want to give the model access to. You add a system prompt to give it a goal or a personality. And then <strong>the agent runs in a loop until it decides it has achieved what the user asked, or that it cannot.</strong></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img processing" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!z2J6!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffaba433c-3440-4f77-8305-ada43988499d_2400x1350.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!z2J6!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffaba433c-3440-4f77-8305-ada43988499d_2400x1350.png 424w, 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All the code is at <a href="https://github.com/jamesward/agent-integration-demo">github.com/jamesward/agent-integration-demo</a>, and I am using Spring AI and Java throughout.</p><h2>Inference is the easy part, and it is worth seeing what is on the wire</h2><p>Spring AI hit 1.0 a little over a year ago, and it gives you one abstraction across model providers. I am using AWS Bedrock with the Converse API and the Nova Pro model, but there are around 250 models on Bedrock and you could just as easily point this at Ollama running locally. The provider is a config change.</p><p>In the application you inject a <code>ChatClient.Builder</code> rather than a concrete client, and the reason matters. In a real system you will want several chat clients, one on a large model and one on something faster and cheaper, and your agentic architecture will route between them.</p><p>The basic call is a user prompt, <code>.call()</code>, and <code>.content()</code>. Ask it to say hello and it says hello.</p><p>More useful is structured output. Define a Java record, annotate a field with <code>@JsonPropertyDescription("most popular food")</code>, and ask for a <code>List&lt;City&gt;</code> back using <code>.entity()</code> with a <code>ParameterizedTypeReference</code> because of how Java generics are reified. What happens underneath is that the record&#8217;s metadata gets sent to the model so it knows how to shape a response that will deserialize cleanly. When you are building agentic applications, <strong>it very often makes more sense to interact with the model through structured data than through free-form text.</strong></p><p>I want to demystify what is actually happening on those calls, because the API is concise and what goes over the wire is not. Run it in debug mode and you see the request carries the message, the media slots for images, the max tokens from your settings, the model name, a pile of defaults and the system message. The response carries metadata about rate limits, prompt tokens in, completion tokens out, total tracked, and one field worth knowing by name.</p><p><code>finish_reason</code>. On a simple call it comes back as <code>end_turn</code>, which is the model saying it has done what you asked. Hold on to that, because the entire agentic loop turns on it becoming something else.</p><p>Spring AI wires token metadata into Actuator and Micrometer, so you can push those metrics wherever you already send metrics.</p><p>Streaming is a one-word change. Swap <code>.call()</code> for <code>.stream()</code> and you get a <code>Flux</code> of chunks instead of waiting for the whole response to assemble. And a system prompt gives the whole interaction a personality or some grounding. Mine was &#8220;you are a Wookiee from Star Wars,&#8221; and it growled at me. One caution: <strong>you cannot rely on system prompts to protect a system from being used for things you did not intend.</strong> More on that later.</p><h2>Tool calling is a four-step conversation, and the model never touches your tool</h2><p>Now ask what time it is, with no tools defined. The model tells you it has no access to a clock. This is the wall.</p><p>Here is what actually happens when you get past it.</p><p>You send the user message to the model, and alongside it you send metadata describing the tools you have. Just the name, the parameters, the description. <strong>The tool itself is not on the model&#8217;s side. It is on your application&#8217;s side.</strong> You are saying, here is what the user wants, and here are some things I can do if you decide you need them.</p><p>The model looks at the request and responds. And the <code>finish_reason</code> this time is not <code>end_turn</code>, it is <code>tool_use</code>. The model is telling you which tool it needs and what parameters to pass. For a weather question that is <code>get_weather</code> with a city name.</p><p>Your application invokes the tool. No model involvement at all in this step.</p><p>Then you call the model again with the whole history: the original question, the fact that it asked for a tool, and the result you got back. Now it assembles a real answer and comes back with <code>end_turn</code>.</p><p><strong>The key thing to hold on to is that the LLM never invokes anything. You define and call the tools. The model only tells you which ones it wants.</strong></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZwFn!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff49c3e59-b01a-4b4c-9991-a93e31a8182b_2400x1045.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZwFn!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff49c3e59-b01a-4b4c-9991-a93e31a8182b_2400x1045.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZwFn!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff49c3e59-b01a-4b4c-9991-a93e31a8182b_2400x1045.png 848w, 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a model, with the tool invocation looping out from the application side only" title="A four-message exchange between an application and a model, with the tool invocation looping out from the application side only" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZwFn!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff49c3e59-b01a-4b4c-9991-a93e31a8182b_2400x1045.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZwFn!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff49c3e59-b01a-4b4c-9991-a93e31a8182b_2400x1045.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZwFn!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff49c3e59-b01a-4b4c-9991-a93e31a8182b_2400x1045.png 1272w, 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Your application makes it.</figcaption></figure></div><p>In Spring AI this is short. Annotate a method with <code>@Tool</code> and a description, then pass the containing object to <code>.defaultTools()</code> on your chat client. The description is doing real work, because that is what the model reads when deciding whether the tool is relevant.</p><div class="highlighted_code_block" data-attrs="{&quot;language&quot;:&quot;java&quot;,&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;2c0dcecd-15a9-47e5-a5ab-ebfa0266f1d9&quot;}" data-component-name="HighlightedCodeBlockToDOM"><pre class="shiki"><code class="language-java">@Tool(description = "Get the current date and time in the user's time zone")
String getCurrentDateTime() {
    return LocalDateTime.now()
        .atZone(LocaleContextHolder.getTimeZone().toZoneId())
        .toString();
}</code></pre></div><p>The API for calling this is identical to the basic inference call. Same <code>.call()</code>, same <code>.content()</code>. <strong>Spring AI uses the same API for a single inference as for a full agentic loop</strong>, and the loop just keeps going until it reaches <code>end_turn</code>, making however many tool calls it needs on the way.</p><h2>MCP is the microservices version of the same thing</h2><p>MCP has become the standard way to do tool calling, and you have probably used it in a code assistant with a local server. Plenty of businesses now publish their services as MCP too.</p><p>It works over HTTP, so servers can be remote. Underneath it is JSON-RPC carrying a method, a tool name and arguments. That is genuinely all it is. <strong>MCP is remoting for the tool calling I just described.</strong></p><p>In Spring AI, configure the client with the streamable HTTP protocol and a URL. I pointed mine at a JavaDocs MCP server I built, which gives access to all the Javadocs on Maven Central. Then inject a <code>ToolCallbackProvider</code>, hand it to <code>.defaultTools()</code> alongside your local tools, and the wiring is done. Ask for the latest version of a library and it calls the tool rather than guessing from training data, which is the difference between a correct version number and a plausible one.</p><p>You can build MCP servers with Spring AI as easily as you consume them. But I would push back on wrapping everything. <strong>Most real architectures are a mix of MCP tools and local ones</strong>, and there are good reasons to keep tools local. Something like getting the current date, or doing arithmetic, belongs in the same process as your agent. My general approach to architecture is to start with a monolith, build it so it <em>can</em> become microservices, and only break things out when you need to. The same reasoning applies here exactly.</p><p>The portability is straightforward when you do need it. Take a tool written in Spring, pull it into a separate project, expose it as an MCP server, and the code barely changes. Swap <code>@Tool</code> for <code>@McpTool</code> if you want the MCP-specific features, though <code>@Tool</code> will work as it is. And the security model stays the same, so user identity flows to MCP tools the same way it flows to local ones, which is usually the painful part of that kind of migration and here is not.</p><h2>Too many tools is a token problem and a reasoning problem</h2><p>Here is what breaks at scale. <strong>Every request to the model carries the metadata for every tool you have.</strong> With a hundred tools that is a lot of tokens spent describing capabilities before the model has done anything. And it gets harder for the model to pick the right one as the list grows.</p><p>The technique that addresses both is tool search, and most AI coding agents now do this implicitly.</p><p>You take each tool description and generate a vector representation of it. That is what an embedding model does: you give it a string and it gives you back an array of numbers. I am using Titan Text Embeddings V1 on Bedrock for this, storing the results in Spring AI&#8217;s <code>SimpleVectorStore</code>, which is in-memory and fine for a demo but should be something persistent in production.</p><p>Then you use an advisor. <strong>An advisor in Spring AI is middleware for your model calls</strong>, letting you intercept the request on the way out and the response on the way back. The tool search advisor intercepts the outbound call and replaces your full tool list with exactly one tool: the tool search tool.</p><p>So the model sees one tool, decides it needs to find something that can generate a random string, calls the search tool, gets back a vector match, and then on the next round the random string tool is available and it calls that. More round trips to the model, considerably fewer tokens, because you were never shipping twenty-one tool descriptions on every request.</p><p>That is one strategy. There are others. You can group tools and give different parts of your agentic flow access to different groups, which is where multiple chat clients come in. Or look at <a href="https://github.com/embabel/embabel-agent">Embabel</a>, an agent framework built on top of Spring AI by Rod Johnson, who created the Spring Framework. It has a concept called unfolding tools that progressively loads domains of tools, similar in spirit to semantic search but organized around domains rather than similarity.</p><p>One note on where this lives. Tool search started in the Spring AI community repository, which is where more experimental work goes, and as of Spring AI 2.0 it is part of core. <strong>Christian Tzolov</strong>, who leads Spring AI, wrote up the migration notes with good detail on how it works.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MbwK!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37f843f5-5f2f-47ab-8ac2-510feda3c322_2400x1040.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MbwK!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37f843f5-5f2f-47ab-8ac2-510feda3c322_2400x1040.png 424w, 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You have probably added one to your code assistant. They work in a business domain too, as a way to encode process and guide an agent in a specific direction.</p><p>The format is markdown with front matter. The front matter is a small amount of metadata about what the skill is, and <strong>by default that metadata is all that gets sent to the model.</strong> The full body only loads when the model asks for it, through a companion tool.</p><p>My friend Josh Long and I built a dog adoption service demo called Pooch Palace, and it has a dog breed skill. Josh and I happen to know a lot about Chihuahuas, including what they say, which is &#8220;Chihuahua.&#8221; That is encoded in the skill, and no model is going to produce it from training data.</p><p>You can preload the whole skill file into the system message, and it works, and it costs tokens on every request whether or not the conversation has anything to do with dogs. The better approach is the skills tool, where you add a classpath resource directory and register the tool. The model gets the front matter, decides whether it needs the body, and calls the tool to fetch it.</p><p>There is a real caveat here, and I hit it live. <strong>Sometimes the model decides it does not need the skill.</strong> I asked whether Chihuahuas have demonic tendencies, and the model figured it knew enough about that already and never loaded my skill. If I had asked about an expense reporting policy and had a skill containing that policy, it would almost certainly have loaded it. But this is nondeterministic and you should expect it to be.</p><p>I also built something for reusing and versioning skills, which packages them into JAR files you can manage as normal dependencies. I published the Pooch Palace skills to Maven Central. Add the dependency, point a classpath resource at the <code>META-INF/skills</code> directory, and everything pulled in as a dependency becomes available through the same skills tool.</p><h2>Memory is where this gets genuinely hard</h2><p>Ask the model your name, then in a second call ask what your name is. It has no idea. There is no memory between requests.</p><p>There are two broad strategies. Short term memory assumes the last <em>n</em> messages matter and sends them every time. Long term memory takes messages as they pass through and does compaction, extraction or categorization to pull out what seems worth keeping, then sends that alongside the recent window.</p><p><strong>Memory is one of the more challenging parts of building these systems</strong>, because deciding how many messages belong in the window, and what deserves to be preserved long term, is genuinely difficult. There are services like AgentCore Memory that handle a lot of it.</p><p>The simple version in Spring AI is <code>MessageWindowChatMemory</code> with a window of ten, wired in through an advisor, which is the natural place for it given advisors already intercept everything going both directions. You need a conversation ID as the key into the memory store. I hard-coded mine, but in a real system that is a user ID or whatever principal you have after authentication, and the only requirement is that it stays the same across the calls that should share memory.</p><p>Storage is pluggable. In-memory for a demo, JDBC against a database for anything real.</p><h2>RAG decides for the model, tool calling lets the model decide</h2><p>RAG has been around a while and it is still the standard way to inject data into a prompt.</p><p>The distinction that matters is this. <strong>With tool calling, the model asks you for data. With RAG, you decide before the model sees anything.</strong> You run a vector search against the user&#8217;s prompt, find data that looks relevant, and append it whether the model turns out to need it or not.</p><p>The mechanics: generate embeddings for your data, usually on create or update of the record. Store those vectors somewhere built for searching them. When a query arrives, embed the query, run a cosine similarity search, take the top few results, and append them to the prompt.</p><p>In Spring AI you put your data into a vector store as <code>Document</code> objects and add a <code>QuestionAnswerAdvisor</code>. I had three bank accounts, generated embeddings for each at startup, and asked for my checking account number. The advisor found the relevant accounts and injected them into the prompt with no tool calls at all.</p><p>I could have exposed accounts as a tool instead. The RAG style makes sense when you can reasonably assume the data will often be relevant. In a banking chat application, people ask about their accounts, so include them when the prompt looks like a match.</p><p>There is a further pattern in the repo I did not demo, where instead of treating embeddings as a copy of your data you correlate the RAG results back to actual rows in a database. Worth a look if your data changes underneath you.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IWFL!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa5a7d76-2618-41a3-8fdf-fbc52d81aa37_2353x952.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IWFL!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa5a7d76-2618-41a3-8fdf-fbc52d81aa37_2353x952.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IWFL!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faa5a7d76-2618-41a3-8fdf-fbc52d81aa37_2353x952.png 848w, 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With RAG you decide. With tool calling the model asks.</figcaption></figure></div><h2>Human in the loop, when the agent needs to ask</h2><p>Sometimes you need more information from the user mid-flow.</p><p>MCP supports elicitation for this. A user asks to search flights from Denver to San Francisco tomorrow, the flight search tool gets invoked, and the tool itself says it needs a preferred airline it was not given. The MCP server elicits that from the user, gets a response, and continues the tool call.</p><p>The important qualifier: <strong>this is only for things you sometimes need.</strong> If you always want the preferred airline, make it a tool parameter and collect it every time. Elicitation is for the case where you might already know it and might not.</p><p>Spring AI has its own version through <code>AskUserQuestionTool</code>, which takes a question handler. Mine used standard in and standard out for the demo, but you would wrap this in WebSocket messages or whatever your interface actually is. With a system prompt listing the user&#8217;s accounts and that tool registered, asking for &#8220;my account balance&#8221; makes the model realize it does not know which account, ask, and continue with the answer.</p><h2>Questions from the session</h2><p><strong>On tool search without embeddings.</strong> You can use a small model instead of an embedding model to do the same selection. It costs tokens every time, where an embedding only has to be generated once per tool description. Spring AI enables this through recursive advisers, which let you make another model call from inside the advisor chain, potentially to a different model. Part of the saving is that on that secondary call you do not have to send the whole message history.</p><p><strong>On guardrails and the boundary between system and user prompts.</strong> There is some boundary, and how it is weighted depends on the model. <strong>You should not rely on it.</strong> System prompts give you a little protection and not much more. If you want real protection, use actual guardrails. Spring AI has a client-side guardrail system, and model providers have their own. Bedrock&#8217;s has several kinds depending on whether you want semantic guardrails or something more provable. And it is worth remembering tokens are a resource to protect. Put a chatbot on the internet and people will use it to do their homework.</p><p><strong>On analyzing large log volumes.</strong> Expose search as a tool and let the agent probe. Watch what a code assistant does on a filesystem and you will see a lot of grepping and finding before it commits to anything. It will check how many results a search returns and refine until the set is small enough to work with. Build probing tools that let the agent narrow down. If you are on CloudWatch or Datadog, there are already MCP servers doing this.</p><p><strong>On temperature.</strong> Temperature is one knob among several, and the way you find out where it should be set is evals. An eval sets a task, an environment of available tools, and a criteria for success. You run it, take the full transcript of what happened, and give that to a different model with the question of whether the user&#8217;s goal was accomplished. That is LLM as judge. You run it many times because of the nondeterminism. <strong>Evals are how you know anything about whether your agent is working</strong>, including whether a tool description needs rewriting. Spring AI has an eval system to build on.</p><p><strong>On Spring AI&#8217;s maturity.</strong> The JVM enterprise community was late to this, and Python is where a lot of it started. But most enterprise business logic is already in Java and Spring, and those organizations do not want to move it. Spring AI is the congruent choice, and it is genuinely good technology rather than a compromise. If you want higher-level abstractions, Embabel adds unfolding tools and DICE, domain integrated context engineering. I also built <a href="https://ai4jvm.com/">ai4jvm.com</a>, which catalogs the JVM AI ecosystem, and it is more extensive than people expect. <strong>We are not behind anymore.</strong></p><h2>Session notes</h2><p>All the code is at <a href="https://github.com/jamesward/agent-integration-demo">github.com/jamesward/agent-integration-demo</a>. The skills format is documented at <a href="https://agentskills.io/">agentskills.io</a>. The JVM AI catalog is at <a href="https://ai4jvm.com/">ai4jvm.com</a>.</p><p>I did not cover guardrails in depth, evals in depth, or the database-correlated RAG example, all of which deserve their own session.</p><blockquote><p>Find me at <a href="https://jamesward.com/">jamesward.com</a> or <a href="https://x.com/JamesWard">@JamesWard</a>.</p></blockquote><h2></h2>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Engineering Teams Are Paying Back Their AI Speed Gains With Interest on Review]]></title><description><![CDATA[Checksum CEO Gal Vered on AI code debt, review cycles growing 25% or more, and why verification has to run before a human ever opens the pull request.]]></description><link>https://deepengineering.net/p/ai-speed-gains-review-burden</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://deepengineering.net/p/ai-speed-gains-review-burden</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Saqib Jan]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2026 17:32:59 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/b17ed8ff-a9f1-4175-a1ca-a49c45899d04_2400x1200.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>Two years ago the difficult part of AI-assisted development was getting a model to produce code that looked correct, and for many teams that is no longer the main constraint, with agents now opening pull requests faster than their review processes can absorb. What replaced it is a harder and less visible problem that begins the moment the code exists and someone has to decide whether to trust it.</span></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Vjsb!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fde4c1bdf-a228-4c26-a859-beef9f8081fa_2400x1000.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Vjsb!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fde4c1bdf-a228-4c26-a859-beef9f8081fa_2400x1000.png 424w, 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height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><span>&#8220;The part nobody solved is what happens after the code is written,&#8221; says</span><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/gal-vered"><span> Gal Vered</span></a><span>, CEO and co-founder of</span><a href="https://checksum.ai/"><span> Checksum</span></a><span>, whose work with engineering teams centers on the testing infrastructure that determines whether generated code holds up against a real database, a rate-limited API, and a permission system nobody documented.</span></p><p><span>Checksum&#8217;s research shows how wide that gap has become. Over the previous 90 days, 61% of surveyed engineering leaders reported a production incident caused by AI-generated code, and 74.3% had rolled back an AI change that their own unit tests never flagged. These findings do not describe teams that simply skipped every safeguard, because respondents reported writing tests, conducting code review, and using AI tools to check AI output, which suggests the problem lies in the design of the verification loop rather than in the diligence of the people operating it.</span></p><h2><span>AI code debt looks correct and passes every check you have</span></h2><div class="pullquote"><p><em><span>&#8220;That spread is the signature of a blind spot, not a bug type.&#8221;<br></span></em><span>Gal Vered</span></p></div><p><span>Vered draws a distinction that changes what teams think they are accumulating when they scale up generation.</span></p><p><span>&#8220;It&#8217;s not sloppy code,&#8221; he says of what he calls AI code debt. &#8220;It&#8217;s code that looks completely correct and passes every check you have, but was never tested against the conditions it will actually run in.&#8221; The model wrote it without ever seeing the production database, the third-party rate limits, or the business logic that lives only in a senior engineer&#8217;s head, so it can pass the available checks and still fail under the conditions that determine whether the system works.</span></p><p><span>The root-cause data from the same research supports that framing because the incidents did not cluster around a single failure category. When Checksum asked leaders what caused their most recent AI-related incident, no single cause dominated, and performance issues at scale, logic errors, and integration failures the model could not have anticipated all clustered together in the high teens to low twenties.</span></p><p><span>For Vered, that flat distribution is the finding rather than a gap in the data, because it points to a blind spot rather than a single bug type. &#8220;You don&#8217;t fix a blind spot by writing more unit tests,&#8221; he says. &#8220;You fix it by giving the agent visibility into the environment before the code ships, not after.&#8221; Vered uses the CrowdStrike and Cloudflare incidents as examples of the same pattern at scale, where individually tested components can still fail through their interaction at runtime.</span></p><p><span>For leaders who want to act on that reading rather than file it away, one practical move is to change how incidents get classified after the fact. Instead of sorting them only by bug type, sort them by whether the failing condition was observable anywhere in the pre-merge environment, because that distinction shows whether the team needs another test or a more realistic verification environment.</span></p><h2><span>Review time absorbs the volume gains from AI code generation</span></h2><p><span>The workflow most teams followed a few years ago moved from writing code to reviewing it to shipping it, and the current one looks closer to prompting, generating, reviewing, re-prompting, and reviewing again. Review never went away under that shift, because it quietly absorbed the hours that used to go into writing along with a share of the hours that were never budgeted anywhere.</span></p><p><span>Checksum&#8217;s data puts the cost in plain terms, with 64.8% of leaders reporting that AI-generated code takes more review time than human-written code rather than less, and half reporting that their review cycles have grown by 25% or more since adopting AI coding tools. Faros AI&#8217;s telemetry, which Vered cites, reports that teams with high AI adoption merge 98% more pull requests while review time on those pull requests rises 91%.</span></p><p><span>&#8220;The volume gains on the writing side are getting paid back with interest on the review side,&#8221; Vered says.</span></p><p><span>Adding reviewers is the obvious response, and the same research suggests many leaders do not think it will hold, because only 28.6% believe they could hire their way out of the review burden and a comparable share describe it as a structural problem that headcount cannot solve. Those responses reflect a review task that differs from reading a colleague&#8217;s pull request, because engineers must search for subtle mistakes inside code that often appears locally plausible.</span></p><p><span>What works instead is a change in sequence rather than staffing, and Vered describes the target state in terms most teams will recognize from their own product usage. He expects the same prompt, generate, and verify loop used in vibe-coded applications to shape enterprise software within the next 12 months, with verification becoming a simulation layer that tests the application under realistic conditions before it ships.</span></p><p><span>Vered argues that teams getting this right move verification ahead of the human, so that by the time an engineer opens a diff the automated checks have already covered the mechanical questions and review can focus on design and intent. Practically, that means setting a rule about ordering, where no pull request reaches a human reviewer until automated verification has completed and reported what it found.</span></p><h2><span>Coding agents cannot see what actually decides runtime behavior</span></h2><p><span>Underneath both the debt and the review tax is a visibility gap that Vered calls the &#8220;Context Void,&#8221; and naming it matters because it changes what kind of problem leaders think they are solving.</span></p><p><span>A coding agent sees code, but it does not see database state, API behavior under load, the permission system, feature flags, or the actual shape of production traffic. Everything that determines runtime behavior remains outside what the agent can observe, and Vered is explicit that this is structural rather than a temporary limitation that better models will close, because a more capable model still cannot reason about a system it was never shown.</span></p><p><span>That is where his comparison to autonomous vehicles becomes more than a convenient analogy. &#8220;Nobody would put a self-driving car on the road without a world model,&#8221; he says. &#8220;You don&#8217;t make the driving model safe by making it smarter in isolation, you give it millions of simulated miles to practice on first.&#8221;</span></p><p><span>In Vered&#8217;s comparison, autonomy in the physical world depends on simulation rather than trust in the model alone, with varying weather, traffic, pedestrian behavior, and sensor noise rehearsed before anything touches a public road.</span></p><p><span>Vered argues software carries the harder version of that problem, since a production system&#8217;s state space, meaning every combination of configuration, data, and timing, is arguably larger than what a car encounters on a city block and cannot be exhaustively enumerated. Because teams cannot exhaustively enumerate that state space, they have to simulate representative conditions, which is why Vered expects the next few years of software development to resemble autonomous vehicle development more than the review-heavy process most teams use today.</span></p><h2><span>Verification belongs in infrastructure rather than at the end of the pipeline</span></h2><p><span>Vered&#8217;s central recommendation to engineering leaders is to reclassify verification as infrastructure, because that changes both where it operates and what gets funded. That means making it as permanent and automatic as a CI pipeline, because most teams currently have AI writing code and a patchwork of humans and point tools trying to catch what it missed, and that patchwork does not scale as generated-code volume grows.</span></p><p><span>The concrete starting point is an audit of which stage each existing check occupies and what environment it can see. Unit tests, code review, and security scanning all earn their place, and Checksum&#8217;s research found that AI unit-test generation, which Vered describes as the most direct counterweight to AI-written code, remains the least adopted of the major verification categories at 48.6%. Adoption is only half the question, because none of those layers can see what production sees, and a team can raise coverage across all of them while leaving the actual blind spot untouched.</span></p><p><span>The standard Vered suggests leaders hold themselves to is the one they already apply to their toolchain without thinking about it, which is trusting code the way they trust a compiler, not by reading every line but by trusting the verification underneath it. Reaching that bar is what makes the volume sustainable, and teams that set it now will get there before the rate of generated code outruns anyone&#8217;s ability to review it by hand.</span></p><h2><span>Three stages take a team from manual QA to simulation-driven validation</span></h2><p><span>For teams relying on manual QA today and looking at simulation-driven validation as the destination, Vered describes a sequence rather than a leap, and each stage produces value on its own.</span></p><p><span>The first stage brings verification inside the loop the AI already uses for writing code, with tests generated and executed automatically on every pull request and targeted to what actually changed, so that nothing merges on the strength of code review alone. Teams that complete only this stage can still reduce failures caused by approving a diff that nobody executed.</span></p><p><span>The second stage moves from testing code in isolation to testing it against production-like conditions, meaning real data shapes, real API behavior, and real load rather than mocks. Checksum&#8217;s research shows that 69.5% of teams already verify against production-like conditions in some form, although those checks often remain bolted onto a process that cannot fully see the interactions between systems where the expensive failures emerge.</span></p><p><span>The third stage closes the loop so that the agent receives more than a pass or a fail. It gets told what broke and why, in terms it can act on, so it can fix the problem and re-verify without a human in the middle of every cycle. The payoff at that point is not only a lower incident count, because the larger return appears in how the team uses its most expensive engineering hours.</span></p><p><span>&#8220;They&#8217;ll get their senior engineers back,&#8221; Vered says, &#8220;because those are the people currently absorbing the gap by hand.&#8221;</span></p><div><hr></div><p><em><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/gal-vered">Gal Vered</a> is CEO and co-founder of <a href="https://checksum.ai/">Checksum</a>, which builds AI-generated end-to-end Cypress and Playwright tests. This is not a sponsored article. Research cited in this article was conducted by Checksum unless otherwise noted.</em></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Deep Engineering #61: Sándor Dargó on Reviewing Code an Agent Wrote]]></title><description><![CDATA[Median time to first AI review is now under five minutes. That solves the waiting problem and nothing else.]]></description><link>https://deepengineering.net/p/issue-61-reviewing-agent-written-code</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://deepengineering.net/p/issue-61-reviewing-agent-written-code</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Saqib Jan]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2026 16:48:12 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/5943838a-ab3e-4bac-8146-5539f350dd52_2400x1260.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h3><a href="https://moyai.ai/?utm_source=newsletter&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=packt"><span data-color="#f85f28" style="color: rgb(248, 95, 40);">Moyai</span></a><span data-color="#f85f28" style="color: rgb(248, 95, 40);"> - </span><a href="https://moyai.ai/?utm_source=newsletter&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=packt"><span data-color="#f85f28" style="color: rgb(248, 95, 40);">Monitor you agents for failures</span></a></h3><div 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We surface agent failures by looking for behavioural anomalies your your agent traces and classify failures with RCA and remediation steps. </p><p style="text-align: center;"><em>Works on your existing observability stack, no new SDK required.</em></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://moyai.ai/?utm_source=newsletter&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=packt&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Get Early Access &#8594;&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://moyai.ai/?utm_source=newsletter&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=packt"><span>Get Early Access &#8594;</span></a></p><p style="text-align: center;"><em>Or book a <a href="https://link.moyai.ai/a/packt-bHQkRg4y">call with the founder</a></em></p><div><hr></div><p>&#9997;&#65039;<strong> From the editor&#8217;s desk</strong></p><p><span>Welcome to the </span><strong><span>61st</span></strong><span> issue of Deep Engineering!</span></p><p>On 21 August, <a href="https://niruthiha.github.io/">Niruthiha Selvanayagam</a> and <a href="https://ca.linkedin.com/in/taher-ghaleb">Taher A. Ghaleb</a> posted <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2608.21311v1">a study of 248,641 AI-attributed pull requests</a> that received at least one AI-attributed review. Among pairs with complete, nonnegative timestamps, the observed median first-review latency was 1.2 minutes across products and 4.7 minutes within the same product. The authors caution that timestamp availability and reviewer composition limit the comparison, but both figures show how quickly automated feedback can enter the workflow.</p><p>That speed solves only the waiting problem, because an agent can inspect a change and propose a fix without owning the decision to merge. When an engineer accepts code they did not write line by line, the human reviewer has a different job. They still need to verify the intent, weigh the architecture against the team&#8217;s history, and decide whether the change belongs in the codebase at all.</p><p><a href="https://fr.linkedin.com/in/sandor-dargo">S&#225;ndor Darg&#243;</a> has been working inside that shift rather than observing it from a distance. He is a Senior Engineer at Spotify who works primarily in C++, writes at <a href="https://sandordargo.com/">sandordargo.com</a> about software design and code review, and now writes very little code by hand himself. <a href="https://deepengineering.net/p/fix-this-is-not-enough-agent-wrote-code">His practical deep dive</a> explains why a bad pattern becomes a future instruction for an agent, why review comments still need context, and how his AIR formula turns a vague objection into something another engineer can act on and learn from.</p><p><strong>Let&#8217;s get started.</strong></p><div><hr></div><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><strong><a href="https://www.vpdae.com/redirect/ch33698hup0eax3pp3p85ijbjl3"><span data-color="#f97141" style="color: rgb(249, 113, 65);">Thor.ai</span> <span data-color="#f97141" style="color: rgb(249, 113, 65);">&#8212;</span><span> </span><span data-color="#f97141" style="color: rgb(249, 113, 65);">Context for Coding Agents</span></a></strong></p><p><strong>Thor</strong> keeps one current, sourced record of what is true across your tools, so your coding agents are never working from a stale spec.</p><p><strong><a href="https://www.vpdae.com/redirect/ch33698hup0eax3pp3p85ijbjl3">Get early access to Thor &#8594;</a></strong></p></div><div><hr></div><p><strong>&#129504; Practical Deep Dive</strong></p><h2>Fix This Is Not Enough, Even When an Agent Wrote the Code</h2><p><em>by <a href="https://fr.linkedin.com/in/sandor-dargo">S&#225;ndor Darg&#243;</a>, Edited by <span class="mention-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Saqib Jan&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:427210082,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;user&quot;,&quot;url&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/997a788a-cd78-4f84-9b3b-c72ab6dc0153_1008x1008.jpeg&quot;,&quot;uuid&quot;:&quot;ab2ef975-d696-4092-ab9d-318b96aea7ef&quot;}" data-component-name="MentionToDOM"></span></em></p><div 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fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">The session slides are embedded in the <a href="https://deepengineering.net/p/fix-this-is-not-enough-agent-wrote-code">full deep dive</a></figcaption></figure></div><h3>Two words that make your brain do three jobs</h3><p><strong>Fix this.</strong></p><p>Have you ever received a code review comment that said only that? I have, probably more times than I would like to admit. The thing about a comment like <em>fix this</em> is that it is not really about the code. By the time you have finished reading those two words, your brain has already done at least three different things.</p><p>You try to figure out what is wrong. You try to figure out why they did not tell you what is wrong. And if we are honest, there is a third one, because you have probably already started wondering whether you are an idiot, since someone had to leave a comment like that in the first place. That is a lot of work for two words.</p><p>So this is the subject I care about. Not formatting, tooling, or the technical mechanics of pull requests. The conversation between people. Even with AI writing more of our code and reviewing more of our pull requests, those conversations still matter. I think they matter more than ever, not less.</p><h3>Code reviews are about people, and I say that as someone who barely writes code by hand</h3><p>I have to admit something. I do not think I have written a single line of code by hand since November last year. I might be exaggerating a little, because sometimes the AI really does not get it right and you go in and change it yourself. But even then, you are more likely to say, this is what I actually meant, use this. It is rare that I start writing code manually now, unless I am doing it for my own enjoyment.</p><p>Even in this environment, or maybe especially in this environment, code reviews are often a cause of stress and conflict between people. Done well, they do the opposite. They amplify learning, build trust, and improve the quality of what you ship.</p><h3>A bad pattern that gets merged will be copied by your agents</h3><p>Code reviews are three things at once. Quality assurance, knowledge sharing, and collaboration.</p><p>As quality assurance, a review is a safety net. Not the ultimate safety net, just one of them. It catches inconsistencies, maintains standards, and helps enforce architectural patterns. I said I would not talk about style, and I do not mean formatting here. I mean architectural style, which AI agents still find difficult to get right and difficult to review. They are getting better. They are not there yet.</p><p>The part I want to emphasize is catching issues before they get merged and spread through the code. If you accept something that goes against your architectural patterns, the next time an agent may do the same thing because it has already found an occurrence in the codebase. It sees a pattern, so it follows it.</p><p>That is why reviewing code manually matters now, probably more than ever. If anything bad goes in, it spreads. Even when you have to accept some technical debt, it is worth paying it off quickly.</p><h3>AI has already changed how we review</h3><p>A review is the last line of defense. It is essential for the long-term health of your codebase, and after the automation and a long CI pipeline, it is often the final human check before code gets merged, assuming your organization still has one.</p><p>AI helps, and I think it will help more. It is not enough yet. Human insight still catches what machines cannot, especially the context of a large project, architectural constraints, and historical knowledge that is not documented anywhere in the codebase.</p><p>AI has already changed how we review. As pull request volume grows, you cannot keep pace by reviewing every change manually, and that itself becomes a source of stress. A growing share of those pull requests are partly or fully AI-generated, and you can only hope that the author reviewed what was generated and understands what the code does.</p><p>Many teams, perhaps most, now have an AI reviewer involved in pull requests. It is not a replacement yet. The question is not whether AI changes code reviews. It already has.</p><p>Reviews also give you a fresh perspective, which matters even more once agents write the first draft. Author bias is real. When you write code, you miss your own mistakes, just as you can miss errors in a letter you wrote and then read back. Hand it to someone else and they may spot the mistake faster.</p><p>What is obvious to you, already inside the context of the change, may not be obvious to anyone else. Reviewers have to build their own mental model, and they may reach a different conclusion from that model. That difference is exactly the thing worth sharing in a review. They can question assumptions and point out edge cases you forgot.</p><h3>Reviewing AI-authored code is a different job</h3><p>The author probably did not write every line. They accepted every line, hopefully after a thorough review of their own. Confident-looking code can hide a shallow understanding of what it does.</p><p>So <em>why did you do it this way?</em> is now a first-class review question rather than a nitpick. It can lead to an important discussion, and it can reveal that not much was considered because the code was generated quickly and the person wanted to move fast, often for perfectly valid reasons. As a reviewer, you increasingly verify intent, not just implementation.</p><p>That is also the answer to what we are actually reviewing. Syntax validity is mostly the compiler&#8217;s job. As a reviewer, you make sure the change matches the intention of the team and should be shipped at all, because every piece of code is a liability that someone has to maintain. Even when that someone is an agent, the agent has costs.</p><p>Then you make sure the architecture is right. Once something is in your codebase, an agent will recognize it as a pattern to follow, so you want as few bad examples there as possible. If you use bots, you can give them different tasks. Verify the syntax, verify that the code is modern, verify that edge cases are covered, and verify the architecture as long as your architecture is documented. 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Survey results separate agent-generated, AI-assisted, and manual code, giving reviewers a clearer basis for ownership policies.</p></li></ul><div><hr></div><p>That&#8217;s all for today.</p><p>If this issue was useful, forward it to an engineer who reviews more pull requests than they write.</p><p>Keep building,</p><p><a href="https://in.linkedin.com/in/s-jan">Saqib Jan</a><span> - Editor-in-Chief, Deep Engineering</span></p><div><hr></div><p><strong>Partner with Deep Engineering</strong></p><p><em><span>If your company wants to reach senior developers, software engineers, and technical decision-makers, </span><a href="https://packt.omeclk.com/portal/wts/uc%5EcnN2dfNaqmD-kB-mo66%7C7g%5Ef%7Cb"><span>speak to us about partnering</span></a><span> with Deep Engineering.</span></em></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Fix This Is Not Enough, Even When an Agent Wrote the Code]]></title><description><![CDATA[Reviewing AI-authored code increasingly means verifying intent, not just implementation. The AIR formula makes comments useful without turning them into essays]]></description><link>https://deepengineering.net/p/fix-this-is-not-enough-agent-wrote-code</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://deepengineering.net/p/fix-this-is-not-enough-agent-wrote-code</guid><pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2026 14:12:56 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/2762e7fc-7184-402f-804e-14d0423a5d9d_2400x1200.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>by <a href="https://fr.linkedin.com/in/sandor-dargo">S&#225;ndor Darg&#243;</a>, Senior Engineer at <strong>Spotify</strong>. He writes about C++, software design, and code review practice at <a href="https://www.sandordargo.com/">sandordargo.com</a>.</p></blockquote><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Q9Yu!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd4ab9c1b-8a5a-491a-a047-3dfb69eeff68_2400x1200.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Q9Yu!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd4ab9c1b-8a5a-491a-a047-3dfb69eeff68_2400x1200.png 424w, 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I have, probably more times than I would like to admit. The thing about a comment like <em>fix this</em> is that it is not really about the code. By the time you have finished reading those two words, your brain has already done at least three different things.</p><p>You try to figure out what is wrong. You try to figure out why they did not tell you what is wrong. And if we are honest, there is a third one, because you have probably already started wondering whether you are an idiot, since someone had to leave a comment like that in the first place. That is a lot of work for two words.</p><p>So this is the subject I care about. Not formatting, tooling, or the technical mechanics of pull requests. The conversation between people. Even with AI writing more of our code and reviewing more of our pull requests, those conversations still matter. I think they matter more than ever, not less.</p><p><em>This practical deep dive is adapted from S&#225;ndor's Deep Engineering session, AI and the Future of Code Reviews. Here are the session slides.</em></p><div class="file-embed-wrapper" data-component-name="FileToDOM"><div class="file-embed-container-reader"><div class="file-embed-container-top"><image class="file-embed-thumbnail" src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!D1Kk!,w_400,h_600,c_fill,f_auto,q_auto:best,fl_progressive:steep,g_auto/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb34452da-ba84-481d-94fb-2995af530ecf_442x452.jpeg"></image><div class="file-embed-details"><div class="file-embed-details-h1">AI And The Future Of Code Reviews - Sa&#769;ndor Dargo&#769;</div><div class="file-embed-details-h2">1.44MB &#8729; PDF file</div></div><a class="file-embed-button wide" href="https://deepengineering.net/api/v1/file/e228a8dd-25d1-43c3-9157-943556472e6e.pdf"><span class="file-embed-button-text">Download</span></a></div><div class="file-embed-description">Slides from AI and the Future of Code Reviews, delivered for Deep Engineering on 6 August 2026.</div><a class="file-embed-button narrow" href="https://deepengineering.net/api/v1/file/e228a8dd-25d1-43c3-9157-943556472e6e.pdf"><span class="file-embed-button-text">Download</span></a></div></div><h2>Code reviews are about people, and I say that as someone who barely writes code by hand</h2><p>I have to admit something. I do not think I have written a single line of code by hand since November last year. I might be exaggerating a little, because sometimes the AI really does not get it right and you go in and change it yourself. But even then, you are more likely to say, this is what I actually meant, use this. It is rare that I start writing code manually now, unless I am doing it for my own enjoyment.</p><p>Even in this environment, or maybe especially in this environment, code reviews are often a cause of stress and conflict between people. Done well, they do the opposite. They amplify learning, build trust, and improve the quality of what you ship.</p><p>That last one is more important than ever. Quality has always mattered, but I think we can already see it slipping with AI-assisted development. Use almost any software today and you may find yourself cursing more than before and saying, there is a new bug. Of course there were bugs before. But when one person can raise several pull requests in a day, quality does not automatically go up with the volume, at least not for the time being.</p><p>There are things I am deliberately not going to cover. Not formatting or style, not the technical parts. Even though I am a C++ developer, there is no C++ code anywhere in this article. I am not going to cover the business process either. What I want to cover is why we review at all, the emotional part of it, the language-agnostic parts, and what good and bad reviews actually do to a team.</p><h2>A bad pattern that gets merged will be copied by your agents</h2><p>Code reviews are three things at once. Quality assurance, knowledge sharing, and collaboration.</p><p>As quality assurance, a review is a safety net. Not the ultimate safety net, just one of them. It catches inconsistencies, maintains standards, and helps enforce architectural patterns. I said I would not talk about style, and I do not mean formatting here. I mean architectural style, which AI agents still find difficult to get right and difficult to review. They are getting better. They are not there yet.</p><p>The part I want to emphasize is catching issues before they get merged and spread through the code. If you accept something that goes against your architectural patterns, the next time an agent may do the same thing because it has already found an occurrence in the codebase. It sees a pattern, so it follows it.</p><p>That is why reviewing code manually matters now, probably more than ever. If anything bad goes in, it spreads. Even when you have to accept some technical debt, it is worth paying it off quickly.</p><p>As knowledge sharing, a review spreads understanding of the codebase, internal tools and APIs that not everyone knows about, and design decisions that people can discuss further. This matters most with new hires and in larger enterprises where people move between divisions. Good reviews help you avoid the situation where only one person understands this.</p><p>A review can also become a form of mentoring. You can even comment on your own code. You can help less experienced developers by explaining the why and the how instead of only the what, and a review is a good place to give feedback with empathy.</p><h2>Pull requests are one way to review, and they are not the only way</h2><p>When we think about code reviews, most of us think about having a good look at a pull request on GitHub. That is not the only way.</p><p>There are synchronous and asynchronous ways to review code. On the synchronous side, you have pair or mob programming and dedicated review meetings, which yes, people still hold. On the asynchronous side, you have pull requests, which is what almost everyone does.</p><p>Pair programming is real-time collaboration. Two people work behind the same screen, or behind different screens while sharing an editor, and they talk. The feedback loop is constant and immediate, which makes it useful for onboarding and complex problems. These days you will probably talk to an agent more often than another human being, but that does not replace onboarding, so I still think pair programming is a useful tool.</p><p>The review becomes a byproduct of the coding process. You ask questions, discuss decisions, correct course, and may end up with better code than you would have produced alone.</p><p>Mob programming is the extended version. One person types while any number of others guide, comment, ask questions, and raise concerns, and the roles rotate. It builds shared understanding, and it is a strong tool for exploratory work, large architectural decisions, and bringing a team to the same level.</p><p>At one of my previous workplaces, we had a six-month project that brought together people from different parts of the company. Their levels of expertise were very different. They had worked on different parts of the system, had different levels of seniority, and used different languages. It was a genuinely diverse team.</p><p>We did mob programming for two or three weeks at the start, and it helped close the gap between people. I think that was one of the most important factors in the success of that project.</p><p>A dedicated code review meeting is typically pre-scheduled and can include stakeholders from different teams. If you have critical code or an architectural decision, you might want to call one. The risk is anchoring bias. People are together and can convince themselves that one solution is right without giving themselves the mental freedom to explore other ideas.</p><p>Then there are pull requests, the most common style today. Some of you probably use none of the previous approaches and review only through pull requests, and that is fine. It is exactly why I wanted to show the other options.</p><p>Pull requests are written, which can lead to misunderstandings. They are not real-time at all. Sometimes you get a review in minutes, sometimes in hours, and sometimes it takes days or weeks. That asynchronicity gives you flexibility, and it can also slow you down.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZU8X!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc4dbba5-26aa-4116-b0ec-f987ff5ae034_2400x1600.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZU8X!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc4dbba5-26aa-4116-b0ec-f987ff5ae034_2400x1600.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZU8X!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc4dbba5-26aa-4116-b0ec-f987ff5ae034_2400x1600.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZU8X!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc4dbba5-26aa-4116-b0ec-f987ff5ae034_2400x1600.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZU8X!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc4dbba5-26aa-4116-b0ec-f987ff5ae034_2400x1600.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZU8X!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc4dbba5-26aa-4116-b0ec-f987ff5ae034_2400x1600.png" width="1456" height="971" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/dc4dbba5-26aa-4116-b0ec-f987ff5ae034_2400x1600.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:971,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:213732,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Table comparing three ways to review code. Pair or mob programming gives instant feedback and shared knowledge but is time-intensive and does not scale. Dedicated meetings are good for alignment and stakeholder input but carry high coordination cost and anchoring bias. Pull requests are scalable and flexible but bring delayed feedback and tone misunderstandings.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://deepengineering.net/i/212997568?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc4dbba5-26aa-4116-b0ec-f987ff5ae034_2400x1600.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Table comparing three ways to review code. Pair or mob programming gives instant feedback and shared knowledge but is time-intensive and does not scale. 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Pull requests are scalable and flexible but bring delayed feedback and tone misunderstandings." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZU8X!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc4dbba5-26aa-4116-b0ec-f987ff5ae034_2400x1600.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZU8X!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc4dbba5-26aa-4116-b0ec-f987ff5ae034_2400x1600.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZU8X!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc4dbba5-26aa-4116-b0ec-f987ff5ae034_2400x1600.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZU8X!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdc4dbba5-26aa-4116-b0ec-f987ff5ae034_2400x1600.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Most teams use only the third row, which is why the trade-offs in the first two are worth knowing.</figcaption></figure></div><h2>Arguments against dedicated reviews, and why I do not buy them</h2><p>When I gave an earlier version of this talk, a friend assumed I had used AI to make up the arguments against code reviews. I told him no, people actually claim these things. I would not have been able to make them up.</p><p>The first argument is that pair programming should replace code reviews. It is true that pairing catches issues earlier than a dedicated review and improves shared understanding. What it lacks is reflection time and broader input.</p><p>Think about it. You are sitting with someone else, the other person is writing code, and you think, I need more time to understand what they are doing. You do not have much time to reflect, and maybe you are afraid to ask for it. You do not want to slow the process down, and you do not want them to think you are slow. With an asynchronous review, you have the time to think.</p><p>There is another difference. When you pair, you are in a state of mind where you want to solve the problem. When you review, you deliberately look for flaws in the change and for issues the author may have missed. You are also less biased by the shared context you would have built while pairing.</p><p>Someone in the session pointed out that pairing on every task means double the cost per feature. I do not fully agree, because pairing catches problems early that you would otherwise fix later, and more people end up knowing more about the codebase. But I agree with the narrower version of the claim. It is not worth pairing on every simple task, because there it may simply double the cost.</p><p>The second argument is that code reviews slow us down. It is true. Reviews increase raise-to-merge latency, and that latency can lead to more merge conflicts. Both are real. But this is engineering, so it is a compromise. You can be fast now, skip the review, and merge quickly, and then have more bugs to fix later or even a rollback in production.</p><p>I have seen the extreme version of this. Senior engineers pressured less experienced people into approving their pull request, including someone who was not a coder but had rights on the repository, purely so it could be merged quickly. And it was merged quickly. It was shipped quickly. Most of the senior engineers on the team did not even know that pull request existed.</p><p>Then we had to roll back in production, and there were some unpleasant discussions with managers and QA. The time you invest in code reviews is worth investing. Asynchronous reviews still scale better than the alternatives, as long as you prioritize reviewing over writing, which I will come back to.</p><p>The third argument is that reviews do not catch bugs. That is also partly true. Reviews are not a substitute for testing, and AI reviewers are worse at this than you might expect, with high false-positive rates. They will get better. But reviews, including AI-assisted reviews, are often more effective at catching design flaws, naming problems, unnecessary complexity, and logic that is unclear to everyone except the person who just authored it.</p><p>Review feedback is more about understandability than correctness. You might catch a bug too. It is just not the main role.</p><p>I would also be careful about rejecting pull requests below a fixed coverage threshold. If there is a number people have to hit, they will find a way to hit it. If they do not want to write meaningful tests, the number will not make the tests meaningful. The reviewer still has an important role in looking at coverage and asking whether the tests actually prove anything.</p><p>All of these trade-offs are real. Yes, reviews slow you down. Yes, they are imperfect. They also prevent expensive mistakes, spread knowledge, and build shared ownership. You pay now or you pay later, and the later you pay, the more you pay.</p><h2>AI has already changed how we review</h2><p>A review is the last line of defense. It is essential for the long-term health of your codebase, and after the automation and a long CI pipeline, it is often the final human check before code gets merged, assuming your organization still has one.</p><p>AI helps, and I think it will help more. It is not enough yet. Human insight still catches what machines cannot, especially the context of a large project, architectural constraints, and historical knowledge that is not documented anywhere in the codebase.</p><p>AI has already changed how we review. As pull request volume grows, you cannot keep pace by reviewing every change manually, and that itself becomes a source of stress. A growing share of those pull requests are partly or fully AI-generated, and you can only hope that the author reviewed what was generated and understands what the code does.</p><p>Many teams, perhaps most, now have an AI reviewer involved in pull requests. It is not a replacement yet. The question is not whether AI changes code reviews. It already has.</p><p>Reviews also give you a fresh perspective, which matters even more once agents write the first draft. Author bias is real. When you write code, you miss your own mistakes, just as you can miss errors in a letter you wrote and then read back. Hand it to someone else and they may spot the mistake faster.</p><p>What is obvious to you, already inside the context of the change, may not be obvious to anyone else. Reviewers have to build their own mental model, and they may reach a different conclusion from that model. That difference is exactly the thing worth sharing in a review. They can question assumptions and point out edge cases you forgot.</p><p>You also get diverse insights because different specialties notice different things. One person cares about design patterns, another about readable modern code or API design, and they will each see something different. Different levels of experience focus on different angles too. A staff engineer may look at how your change interacts with the rest of the system, while a less experienced developer may read every line and care about the details. I have had genuinely good experiences with reviewers like that.</p><p>I am experimenting with a workflow I picked up from a conference talk. Different agents review the same change from different roles. One focuses only on new and changed APIs. One takes safety and security. Another takes readability, another design, and perhaps a fifth gathers the feedback and makes sure it holds together for whoever has to implement it.</p><p>The persona part is something I had only just started exploring when I gave the session, so I would treat it as an experiment rather than a settled workflow. Instead of only telling the agent to check whether the code follows modern C++ practice, you describe the kind of reviewer it should act as. You might tell it that it is a modern C++ engineer who cares deeply about current practice, then ask it to review from that perspective.</p><p>What I have already found is that if you do not give the agent proper repository-specific context, it produces garbage comments. It may recommend tools or libraries that are not available to you. The relevant instructions and context have to be documented in the workflow.</p><p>Which agents and skills you can use will often be decided by your organization. At work, we have an internal dashboard that states which agents and models are allowed, along with skills specific to our infrastructure that can look up internal repositories or crash analytics. That part will be specific to your organization.</p><p>What I would encourage is the experiment itself. Ask whatever agent you are allowed to use to focus on one specific part of the review at a time.</p><h2>Reviewing AI-authored code is a different job</h2><p>The author probably did not write every line. They accepted every line, hopefully after a thorough review of their own. Confident-looking code can hide a shallow understanding of what it does.</p><p>So <em>why did you do it this way?</em> is now a first-class review question rather than a nitpick. It can lead to an important discussion, and it can reveal that not much was considered because the code was generated quickly and the person wanted to move fast, often for perfectly valid reasons. As a reviewer, you increasingly verify intent, not just implementation.</p><p>That is also the answer to what we are actually reviewing. Syntax validity is mostly the compiler&#8217;s job. As a reviewer, you make sure the change matches the intention of the team and should be shipped at all, because every piece of code is a liability that someone has to maintain. Even when that someone is an agent, the agent has costs.</p><p>Then you make sure the architecture is right. Once something is in your codebase, an agent will recognize it as a pattern to follow, so you want as few bad examples there as possible. If you use bots, you can give them different tasks. Verify the syntax, verify that the code is modern, verify that edge cases are covered, and verify the architecture as long as your architecture is documented. The actual intent stays completely human.</p><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><strong>&#128197; Upcoming workshop</strong></p><p><a href="https://luma.com/cppmodules">C++20 Modules: A Gentle Hands-On Workshop</a></p><p>On <strong>September 30</strong>, join <strong>Lieven</strong> for a hands-on C++20 Modules workshop using CMake.</p><p><strong><a href="https://luma.com/cppmodules">Save your seat</a> &#8594;</strong></p></div><h2>Most review failures come down to timing, tone, and scope</h2><p>Feedback arrives too late. Reviews should happen while the details are still fresh, and that matters more when the author did not write everything alone but used an agent. You may have understood the generated code at that moment, but after three or four days, or a week, you will have forgotten some of it.</p><p>Reviews should also not block merging for too long, because late reviews lead to frustration and resistance. They produce a specific failure too. If you waited five days, or even three, and the reviewer says this looks fine, there is just one small thing you might want to fix, it is only a nit, there is a fair chance you will not fix it. You do not want to wait another day. You want to move on.</p><p>People focus on the nits because the details are easier. Do not get me wrong, the details matter. The problem is that when we focus on them, we often miss the bigger picture. Getting the details right is important, and the architectural decisions are more important still because they are harder to change once merged. Details can usually be updated later with less effort.</p><p>Written feedback has no tone of voice or body language, so the reader has to infer both. A message can sound aggressive or passive-aggressive even when that was not the intent, and sometimes it is aggressive. That does not only affect clarity. It affects trust and discourages open discussion.</p><p>We all know people, not necessarily in our own organization but in the developer community, who are simply jerks in code reviews. I do not think that is a good strategy in the long term or even the short term.</p><p>Another pitfall is reviewing the author instead of the code. Avoid language that feels personal or judgmental. It is not about the who, it is about the what. Do not blame. Help. We are all learning, and kindness scales better than harsh criticism.</p><p>Avoid bossy or commanding language too. Do not phrase feedback as an order. Invite collaboration rather than compliance. Even senior developers should stay humble and use softening words. Instead of saying <em>change this</em>, ask whether the author considered another approach. Not only because it is kinder, but because they may have considered it and concluded that their approach was better in this case.</p><p>Comments also fail when they have no priority. You receive a comment and do not know what to do with it. As a reviewer, make the intent understandable. Use a word or an emoji at the beginning. I usually mark whether something is a blocker that must be fixed, a <em>have you considered</em> where another approach may be better but I am not sure, a nitpick that the author can take or leave, or a question that is genuinely just a question about the assumptions behind the code.</p><p>Or leave a kudos. Have you ever received a comment like that? We send them in the team sometimes, and it feels good. If you get one on every pull request, it stops helping. But when you came up with something elegant, it feels good to have someone notice it.</p><p>Comments with no explanation miss the chance to teach or share reasoning. Some people will chase the reviewer and ask why. Not everyone will, because some people are too shy to ask. Without context, authors either comply blindly or push back blindly.</p><p>Commenting on everything is another failure. Feedback on every line is overwhelming and discouraging, and it creates the impression of rigid control, as though there is only one right way. Developers need some autonomy. Not every decision has to be perfectly optimal. There are parts of a codebase where it does, but most of the time there are several reasonable ways to achieve the same thing.</p><p>Poorly prepared pull requests are on the author. Do not share something that is not green yet, because that takes precious time from reviewers. Do a self-review first, whether or not you used an agent. Do not share a pull request that is too large, because you will wait longer for meaningful feedback than you would for two smaller ones. Do not mix unrelated changes, such as a refactoring, a bug fix, and a feature.</p><p>And share a description. If the pull request has to be large because you changed an API and had to update many files, give the reviewer an entry point. Tell them which file to open first and where the change begins. That helps a great deal.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ul_c!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4c9e78e3-f15d-41c2-a3e4-54562bedba9c_2400x1600.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ul_c!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4c9e78e3-f15d-41c2-a3e4-54562bedba9c_2400x1600.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ul_c!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4c9e78e3-f15d-41c2-a3e4-54562bedba9c_2400x1600.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ul_c!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4c9e78e3-f15d-41c2-a3e4-54562bedba9c_2400x1600.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ul_c!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4c9e78e3-f15d-41c2-a3e4-54562bedba9c_2400x1600.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ul_c!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4c9e78e3-f15d-41c2-a3e4-54562bedba9c_2400x1600.png" width="1456" height="971" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/4c9e78e3-f15d-41c2-a3e4-54562bedba9c_2400x1600.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:971,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:185700,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Three columns grouping the common failures in code review. Timing covers pull requests shared too early, reviewed too late, and reviewed too slowly. Communication covers harsh tone, no explanation, and commanding language. Scope covers pull requests that are too large and changes that mix unrelated concerns.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://deepengineering.net/i/212997568?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4c9e78e3-f15d-41c2-a3e4-54562bedba9c_2400x1600.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Three columns grouping the common failures in code review. Timing covers pull requests shared too early, reviewed too late, and reviewed too slowly. Communication covers harsh tone, no explanation, and commanding language. Scope covers pull requests that are too large and changes that mix unrelated concerns." title="Three columns grouping the common failures in code review. Timing covers pull requests shared too early, reviewed too late, and reviewed too slowly. Communication covers harsh tone, no explanation, and commanding language. Scope covers pull requests that are too large and changes that mix unrelated concerns." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ul_c!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4c9e78e3-f15d-41c2-a3e4-54562bedba9c_2400x1600.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ul_c!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4c9e78e3-f15d-41c2-a3e4-54562bedba9c_2400x1600.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ul_c!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4c9e78e3-f15d-41c2-a3e4-54562bedba9c_2400x1600.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ul_c!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4c9e78e3-f15d-41c2-a3e4-54562bedba9c_2400x1600.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Almost every review that goes badly fails on one of these three, and none of them are about the code itself.</figcaption></figure></div><h2>Keeping reviews fast is mostly a team decision, not a personal one</h2><p>A review-first policy helps. Review the pull requests in the queue before you create new ones, because the cost of waiting is usually higher on the other side than the cost of you reviewing a piece of code.</p><p>This only works if the team agrees together. If they do not, a few people will do most of the reviews and burn out. If the team agrees, lead developers go first and teach by example, reviewing before they move on to their own next pull request.</p><p>You can also reduce your own burden by asking an agent to do a first pass and surface likely problems, then reviewing those areas yourself. That brings up the new failure mode, which is noise. Too many pull requests and too many comments mean that many comments get ignored. Too many false positives from an AI reviewer can lead to fatigue and rubber-stamping.</p><p>I think we are still discovering how to cut through that. If you have good ideas, I am all ears. What I believe, and it slightly contradicts something I say later, is that concise comments are more likely to be acted upon. That is another reason not to let an agent comment directly on the pull request by itself. Run it for yourself first, then write the comments that matter.</p><p>Keep the review flowing. Give a first response quickly, even if it is only an emoji telling the author that you are looking at it, ideally within an hour of a green pull request being shared. If there is a lot of back and forth, do not play ping-pong. Call each other, then summarize the discussion in the pull request so everyone else knows the outcome.</p><p>Escalate to the team if the real problem is scope or size, and ask for help rather than doing it alone. If you have done all of that and the change still does not merge in a reasonable time, treat it as a process issue and bring it back to the team.</p><p>After three round trips, I would make the discussion synchronous. Too many comments on one pull request usually means there is no shared mental model of the problem, the codebase, or the language, and a pairing session will do more than another round.</p><p>If the same comments keep coming up with the same person, that is a coaching opportunity rather than a review. The other person may feel it too and be too intimidated to ask. So say it. I have noticed that I keep making the same comment every few pull requests. Let us talk about why I think this matters. Be proactive and be nice. We are all in this together.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0QN3!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ce5884a-5bc2-45c1-b2c7-448dccf0b816_2400x1600.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0QN3!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ce5884a-5bc2-45c1-b2c7-448dccf0b816_2400x1600.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0QN3!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ce5884a-5bc2-45c1-b2c7-448dccf0b816_2400x1600.png 848w, 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Three situations worth recognizing early, because each one has a move that costs less than another round of comments.</figcaption></figure></div><h2>Where the human job matters most</h2><p>AI can flag style issues, duplication, and small refactors, but it does not understand team context. It can catch obvious bug patterns, but it is not good at weighing trade-offs and explaining them. It can generate alternative implementations and something like a learning plan, but it is not good at mentoring. It can comment quickly and at scale.</p><p>What it cannot do, and I do not see this changing in any reasonable time frame, is take responsibility. That is something we can and should do. Some people say AI can build trust. I think AI can build trust in a solution. It cannot build trust between people.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cAbn!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F48a033ef-a38c-4cb9-8660-0325cca48732_2400x1600.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cAbn!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F48a033ef-a38c-4cb9-8660-0325cca48732_2400x1600.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cAbn!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F48a033ef-a38c-4cb9-8660-0325cca48732_2400x1600.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cAbn!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F48a033ef-a38c-4cb9-8660-0325cca48732_2400x1600.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cAbn!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F48a033ef-a38c-4cb9-8660-0325cca48732_2400x1600.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cAbn!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F48a033ef-a38c-4cb9-8660-0325cca48732_2400x1600.png" width="1456" height="971" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/48a033ef-a38c-4cb9-8660-0325cca48732_2400x1600.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:971,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:203943,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Two columns splitting review work between AI and people. AI can flag style, duplication, and small refactors, catch obvious bug patterns, generate alternative implementations, and comment quickly at scale. It cannot yet understand team context, weigh trade-offs and explain them, mentor, take responsibility, or build trust between people.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://deepengineering.net/i/212997568?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F48a033ef-a38c-4cb9-8660-0325cca48732_2400x1600.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Two columns splitting review work between AI and people. AI can flag style, duplication, and small refactors, catch obvious bug patterns, generate alternative implementations, and comment quickly at scale. 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It cannot yet understand team context, weigh trade-offs and explain them, mentor, take responsibility, or build trust between people." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cAbn!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F48a033ef-a38c-4cb9-8660-0325cca48732_2400x1600.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cAbn!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F48a033ef-a38c-4cb9-8660-0325cca48732_2400x1600.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cAbn!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F48a033ef-a38c-4cb9-8660-0325cca48732_2400x1600.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cAbn!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F48a033ef-a38c-4cb9-8660-0325cca48732_2400x1600.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">The right column is where the human job now lives, and taking responsibility is the line that does not look likely to move.</figcaption></figure></div><p>There is a related point from the discussion that I want to keep. Staff engineers have told me they do not want to ask a question in a code review only to receive an agent&#8217;s answer pasted back. They want a human discussion.</p><p>There is still value in writing your comments yourself and making the mental effort to understand what the other person was trying to do.</p><h2>Action, Information, Reference</h2><p>Let us diagnose a few comments.</p><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><strong>Rename this.</strong></p><p><strong>Do not use magic numbers.</strong></p><p><strong>This is wrong.</strong></p></div><p>Three things can be missing when a comment goes wrong. Action, is it clear what to do? Information, is it clear why it matters? Reference, is there something to learn from? AIR, if you want a mnemonic.</p><p>For action, phrase your feedback as a suggestion rather than a command. Use softening language such as <em>consider this</em>, <em>perhaps you could</em>, or <em>could we do that?</em> It encourages discussion instead of compliance.</p><p>For information, explain your reasoning clearly. It helps the author understand your intent and builds shared knowledge.</p><p>For reference, link to a style guide, internal documentation, an external document, or a relevant discussion. It justifies your feedback without starting a debate inside the pull request and encourages self-directed learning.</p><p>Take the first bad comment, <em>rename this</em>. It has no context, no reasoning, no learning opportunity, and it sounds too direct. An improved version would read:</p><blockquote><p>Consider renaming this to something like <code>config</code>. I first read it as the results, but it is the configuration object. Our style guide suggests clarity over brevity. See the choosing names section.</p></blockquote><p>The first sentence gives the action, the second gives the information, and the third gives the reference.</p><p>That last part matters more than you might think. I have been in a situation where people did not even know the company had a style guide. That is not surprising. If you never share it in a code review, how would they find out?</p><p>The second example is <em>do not use magic numbers</em>. It is not that bad, but it could be better:</p><blockquote><p>Consider replacing <code>42</code> with a named constant. Unclear values are risky to change later. We recommend symbolic constants for readability. See <a href="https://isocpp.github.io/CppCoreGuidelines/CppCoreGuidelines#res-magic">C++ Core Guidelines ES.45</a>.</p></blockquote><p>After one of these talks, someone came up to me and said they did not know the C++ Core Guidelines existed. Thanks for sharing. The same thing happens in code reviews. What is obvious to you is not obvious to everyone.</p><p>The third example is <em>this is wrong</em>. That is clearly bad, and it could be attached to almost any line of code. A useful version would say:</p><blockquote><p>Capture the return value of <code>erase</code> and use that. The current code dereferences an iterator after <code>erase</code>, which invalidates it. <a href="https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/container">cppreference</a> documents the iterator invalidation rules for each container.</p></blockquote><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Mqxk!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffcb78996-9df1-4551-bb45-e8f881eef480_2400x1600.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Mqxk!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffcb78996-9df1-4551-bb45-e8f881eef480_2400x1600.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Mqxk!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffcb78996-9df1-4551-bb45-e8f881eef480_2400x1600.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Mqxk!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffcb78996-9df1-4551-bb45-e8f881eef480_2400x1600.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Mqxk!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffcb78996-9df1-4551-bb45-e8f881eef480_2400x1600.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Mqxk!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffcb78996-9df1-4551-bb45-e8f881eef480_2400x1600.png" width="1456" height="971" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/fcb78996-9df1-4551-bb45-e8f881eef480_2400x1600.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:971,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:189584,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Three stacked bands showing the AIR formula for review comments. Action asks what should be done, with the example consider renaming this to config. Information asks why it matters, with the example I first read it as the results. Reference asks where to learn more, with the example see the choosing names section.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://deepengineering.net/i/212997568?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffcb78996-9df1-4551-bb45-e8f881eef480_2400x1600.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Three stacked bands showing the AIR formula for review comments. Action asks what should be done, with the example consider renaming this to config. Information asks why it matters, with the example I first read it as the results. 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Reference asks where to learn more, with the example see the choosing names section." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Mqxk!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffcb78996-9df1-4551-bb45-e8f881eef480_2400x1600.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Mqxk!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffcb78996-9df1-4551-bb45-e8f881eef480_2400x1600.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Mqxk!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffcb78996-9df1-4551-bb45-e8f881eef480_2400x1600.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Mqxk!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffcb78996-9df1-4551-bb45-e8f881eef480_2400x1600.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">You do not need all three on every comment, only on the ones that would otherwise teach nothing.</figcaption></figure></div><p>You do not need all three every time. You might think you do not want to write a short novel on every review, and you are right. Sometimes there is just a typo, and <em>typo here</em> is a perfectly good comment. Use the formula when a comment would otherwise teach nothing and there is a teaching opportunity. The goal is not longer comments. It is fewer useless ones.</p><p>If you receive a comment that lacks information or a reference, or where the action is unclear, say so. Ask back. Sorry, it is not clear what I should do. Can you phrase it differently? Or, why should I do that? I want to learn more. Can you point me to something?</p><p>You might think that takes a long time to write. It does not, because over time you build templates that you reuse and refine. And if nobody ever highlights a bad comment, bad comments will keep coming.</p><h2>Five changes worth making this week</h2><p>Code reviews are a tool and an investment in quality, clarity, and shared understanding. They are conversations between people, even now, in the age of AI-assisted development. How we communicate defines both the code we write and the teams we build.</p><p>So, five things. Encourage self-reviews in your team to catch the obvious before the code reaches anyone else. Pick one thing you personally want to improve about how you give feedback. Try the AIR formula in your next review where it makes sense. Talk with your team about your review culture if you think there is something to improve. And start using reviews as opportunities to teach and learn.</p><p>Code reviews do not just improve code. They improve coders.</p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Deep Engineering #60: Chi Wang and Xiao Ma on Choosing Between Single-Agent and Multi-Agent Architecture]]></title><description><![CDATA[Context boundaries, coordination costs, and why the topology you draw is a hypothesis]]></description><link>https://deepengineering.net/p/issue-60-single-agent-vs-multi-agent-architecture</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://deepengineering.net/p/issue-60-single-agent-vs-multi-agent-architecture</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Saqib Jan]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2026 15:13:20 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/81d11676-5974-463d-b7a4-1326e81a6302_2400x1600.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><span>Featured - </span><a href="https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/langgraph-masterclass-from-beginner-to-professional-tickets-1992773766981?aff=deepeng&amp;discount=DEEPENG50">LangGraph 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href="https://www.cncf.io/announcements/2026/08/10/cncf-reveals-kubecon-cloudnativecon-north-america-2026-schedule-adds-new-ai-inference-agentic-track/">AI Inference and Agentic track</a>, with sessions on GPU scheduling, model serving and production observability across vLLM, KServe, Ray and OpenTelemetry. A conference track is a lagging indicator, which is what makes it useful. It means enough organizations are running agents in production that the operational problems have settled into a shared vocabulary.</p><p>Engineering teams still lack a reliable method for deciding how many agents a problem needs and which coordination pattern should connect them. They often choose a topology that resembles the problem, whether supervisor-and-worker, debate, or parallel attempts with convergence, then use production behavior to determine whether the structure fits. The patterns are well documented, but the evidence that should decide among them is not.</p><p>We put that question to <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/chi-wang-autogen/">Chi Wang</a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/xiaoma/">Xiao Ma</a> during a roundtable at <a href="https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/arc-2026-software-architecture-in-the-age-of-ai-tickets-1991591030384">ARC 2026</a>, Packt&#8217;s virtual summit on software architecture in the age of AI. Wang developed AutoGen during a decade at Microsoft Research, later joined Google DeepMind and now works on AG2, MassGen and Sutando. Ma leads the teams behind Splunk Observability Cloud at Splunk, a Cisco company, after seven years as Medium&#8217;s director of engineering and chief architect.</p><p>Neither believes teams can choose the right topology from a diagram alone. They start with the simplest credible system, study where it fails and add structure only when the evidence justifies it.</p><p><span>Today&#8217;s issue lays their framework out as a sequence, starting from a single-agent baseline, splitting only when a specific failure justifies it, and using traces to check whether the split helped.</span></p><p><span>Let&#8217;s get started.</span></p><div><hr></div><p style="text-align: center;"><strong><a href="https://www.vpdae.com/redirect/ch33698hup0eax3pp3p85ijbjl3">Thor.ai </a>&#8212; <a href="https://www.vpdae.com/redirect/ch33698hup0eax3pp3p85ijbjl3">One Source of Truth for Your Coding Agents</a></strong></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://www.vpdae.com/redirect/ch33698hup0eax3pp3p85ijbjl3" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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It keeps one current, sourced record of what is true across your tools, so agents stop guessing and specs stop going stale the moment a decision changes.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.vpdae.com/redirect/ch33698hup0eax3pp3p85ijbjl3&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;&#8594; Get early access to Thor&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.vpdae.com/redirect/ch33698hup0eax3pp3p85ijbjl3"><span>&#8594; Get early access to Thor</span></a></p><div><hr></div><p><strong>&#129504; Expert Insight</strong></p><h2><span>How to Choose Between Single-Agent and Multi-Agent Architecture</span></h2><p><em>by <span class="mention-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Saqib Jan&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:427210082,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;user&quot;,&quot;url&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/997a788a-cd78-4f84-9b3b-c72ab6dc0153_1008x1008.jpeg&quot;,&quot;uuid&quot;:&quot;510b8dd3-a15a-4ce5-9db6-227cb4cfa142&quot;}" data-component-name="MentionToDOM"></span> Jan with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/chi-wang-49b15b16/">Chi Wang</a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/xiaoma/">Xiao Ma</a></em></p><p><span>Multi-agent architecture often begins with a diagram that assigns a supervisor, several workers and a path toward consensus, yet the diagram says little about whether the task needs those roles or whether one capable agent could complete the work with fewer coordination costs. Debate, hierarchical delegation, role-based teams and parallel attempts all solve different problems, so choosing among them requires more than matching a familiar pattern to a new use case. A team needs a baseline that exposes the limitation its next architectural choice must address.</span></p><p><span>Chi Wang&#8217;s early work on AutoGen at Microsoft Research shows why the baseline matters. His first design placed one coding agent in a loop that wrote code, executed it, revised the result and continued, but the agent could not handle the growing instructions and exceptions reliably. The failure justified decomposition at that point, while later improvements in model capability suggest that the same design could travel much further today, which means the original boundary belonged to a particular combination of model, tools and task rather than to the problem for all time.</span></p><p><span>Multi-agent topology therefore works best as a design hypothesis that a team tests against observed behavior. The problem establishes the first credible architecture, evaluation defines whether it succeeds, and execution traces explain why it falls short. That sequence preserves architectural judgment while giving evidence the authority to change the design.</span></p><h3><span>One Agent Should Establish the Baseline</span></h3><p><span>Wang favors the simplest credible starting point because every additional agent creates another context boundary, another exchange to inspect and another opportunity for coordination to fail. One capable agent with appropriate tools provides the cleanest baseline when it can receive the required context, use that context effectively and complete the task within the required time. The team can then add structure in response to a demonstrated limitation instead of paying for complexity in advance.</span></p><p><span>Context can rule out the single-agent option before execution begins. Two people who want their personal agents to coordinate a meeting may trust each agent with a private calendar while refusing to share both calendars with a common service, so the information boundary requires multiple agents even though the scheduling operation remains simple. In that case, decomposition protects context rather than compensating for weak reasoning, and forcing one agent into the center would weaken the design.</span></p><p><span>Efficiency creates a different boundary because an agent may receive all the relevant material and still fail to use it consistently. Instructions can accumulate until the agent stops following them, while long-running work can compete with urgent one-off tasks and produce unstable priorities. A context window that can contain everything does not guarantee an agent that can reason across everything, so the architecture must account for how the agent uses context rather than measuring capacity alone.</span></p><p><span>Ma, who leads teams building Splunk Observability Cloud at Splunk, a Cisco company, adds parallelism as a separate reason to introduce more agents. A task may require several paths of investigation within the same time window, either because latency matters or because independent attempts provide useful diversity. One agent could complete those paths sequentially, but the execution would no longer meet the operational requirement, which makes parallelism an architectural need rather than an embellishment.</span></p><p></p><div class="pullquote"><p></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_FM4!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7c68e3b8-7b93-4ba7-a5b0-488e4e9b07ff_544x544.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_FM4!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7c68e3b8-7b93-4ba7-a5b0-488e4e9b07ff_544x544.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_FM4!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7c68e3b8-7b93-4ba7-a5b0-488e4e9b07ff_544x544.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_FM4!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7c68e3b8-7b93-4ba7-a5b0-488e4e9b07ff_544x544.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_FM4!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7c68e3b8-7b93-4ba7-a5b0-488e4e9b07ff_544x544.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_FM4!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7c68e3b8-7b93-4ba7-a5b0-488e4e9b07ff_544x544.png" width="226" height="226" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/7c68e3b8-7b93-4ba7-a5b0-488e4e9b07ff_544x544.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:544,&quot;width&quot;:544,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:226,&quot;bytes&quot;:314304,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://deepengineering.net/i/211712091?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7c68e3b8-7b93-4ba7-a5b0-488e4e9b07ff_544x544.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_FM4!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7c68e3b8-7b93-4ba7-a5b0-488e4e9b07ff_544x544.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_FM4!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7c68e3b8-7b93-4ba7-a5b0-488e4e9b07ff_544x544.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_FM4!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7c68e3b8-7b93-4ba7-a5b0-488e4e9b07ff_544x544.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_FM4!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7c68e3b8-7b93-4ba7-a5b0-488e4e9b07ff_544x544.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/chi-wang-49b15b16/"><span>Chi Wang</span></a></strong></p><p><span>Start with the simplest credible system, then add structure only when context, reliability or parallelism creates a reason for the split.</span></p><p><em><sup><span>Paraphrased from ARC 2026</span></sup></em></p></div><p><span>The single-agent baseline should remain a default rather than a doctrine. Privacy constraints, incompatible contexts and time-sensitive parallel work can justify a multi-agent design from the beginning, while a task that lacks those constraints should first prove that one agent cannot handle it. This distinction keeps simplicity useful without turning it into another pattern that teams apply without evidence.</span></p><h3><span>Failure Modes Should Choose the Next Topology</span></h3><p><span>A failed baseline does not automatically justify decomposition because different failures require different coordination patterns. An agent that nearly completes the task but makes inconsistent mistakes presents a reliability problem, while an agent that rarely completes the task presents a capability or decomposition problem. Treating both cases alike adds agents without identifying the work those agents need to perform.</span></p><p><span>Wang, who created MassGen, uses parallel agents when each agent can attempt the same problem successfully but may fail in a different way. The agents inspect and refine one another&#8217;s answers, so the architecture seeks reliability through diverse attempts without dividing the task into separate specialties. This pattern works when the baseline already demonstrates substantial capability, while it adds cost without repairing a task that no agent can solve.</span></p><p><span>A low baseline success rate calls for smaller units of work with narrower contexts, distinct tools or specialized responsibilities. The team first raises the reliability of each unit, then adds verification or coordination to close the remaining gap, which shifts the design from repeated attempts toward role-based decomposition. More agents alone do not produce this improvement because the gain comes from changing the problem each agent receives.</span></p><p><span>Parallel execution introduces another distinction because some tasks need multiple workers even when a single worker remains capable. Independent investigations can proceed together and feed a synthesis step, while dependent work may require a coordinator that controls sequence and handoffs. Both topologies use several agents, but one optimizes exploration and latency while the other manages dependency, so the same agent count can conceal a different architecture.</span></p><p><span>Coordination cost complicates every choice because each split creates more messages, context transfer and failure paths. A team should therefore classify the limitation before changing the topology, then test whether the new structure improves the system-level result enough to justify its additional work. Success rate, latency and trajectory quality give that decision a firmer basis than the number of agents in the diagram.</span></p><h3><span>Context and Expertise Define the Decomposition</span></h3><p><span>AutoGen&#8217;s early decomposition followed the limits that appeared inside one agent rather than a predetermined organizational chart. Wang added instructions as the coding loop encountered errors and exceptions until the accumulated guidance became difficult to follow, then separated responsibilities so that each agent could work with a smaller set of concerns. He later separated continuous work, including self-improvement, from temporary work such as producing one piece of content because the two time horizons disrupted one another&#8217;s priorities.</span></p><p><span>Ma uses an incident war room to show how context and expertise can define the equivalent split in production systems. An incident commander coordinates communication while service, infrastructure, database and Kubernetes specialists investigate with different tools and knowledge, then each finding changes the work that follows. The roles matter because they encode distinct context and capability, not because a multi-agent framework needs several named participants.</span></p><p><span>The analogy also has limits because software agents do not inherit every organizational constraint that shaped a human team. An existing human role can still provide a useful starting hypothesis when it owns a clear context, toolset or decision, but copying an org chart without those boundaries reproduces titles rather than engineering logic. Every proposed agent should therefore own a distinct reason for existing, while responsibilities that cannot meet that test should remain together.</span></p><p><span>This approach turns decomposition into a response to context pressure, expertise and dependency rather than a search for the ideal number of agents. It also makes later changes easier to justify because a team can identify which boundary moved when a model improved, a tool changed or two responsibilities began to interfere.</span><a href="https://deepengineering.net/p/agent-decomposition-three-questions-war-room"><span> Under-Decomposition Is the More Common Mistake</span></a><span> develops this test through the war-room example and the three conditions that support a split.</span></p><h3><span>Observability Has Become Architecture Work</span></h3><p><span>Traditional systems often treat observability as an operational layer that helps developers and SREs diagnose latency, errors and outages after the software exists. Ma argues that agent systems require evaluation and observability earlier because prompts, context assignment and topology now form part of the build process, while source code alone cannot establish how those choices will behave during execution. A team needs evidence from the agent trajectory before it can decide whether to change the topology, the model, the tools or the context.</span></p><p><span>System-level evaluation establishes whether the agent team completed the task to the required standard, while traces explain how the team reached that result. A useful trajectory records which agent acted, which context it received, which tool it selected, what it returned and how the next agent used that result. Those details expose missing context, repeated work, poor tool selection, prolonged deliberation and sequential work that could proceed in parallel.</span></p><div class="pullquote"><p></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FPYQ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F765cde83-ed3e-41e4-945f-cde722d2ae5b_604x754.webp" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FPYQ!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F765cde83-ed3e-41e4-945f-cde722d2ae5b_604x754.webp 424w, 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><strong><a href="http://Xiao Ma"><span>Xiao Ma</span></a></strong></p><p><span>Evaluation establishes whether the agent team solved the task, while traces show how its coordination helped or failed.</span></p><p><em><sup><span>Paraphrased from ARC 2026</span></sup></em></p></div><p><span>Trace data does not choose an architecture by itself because a team still needs a task-level definition of success and enough judgment to distinguish a topology problem from a model or prompt problem. More telemetry can create more detail without creating a decision when the evaluation criteria remain vague. Observability becomes architecture work only when the team connects a trajectory to an outcome and uses that relationship to test a specific change.</span></p><p><span>This requirement expands the audience for observability beyond developers and SREs. Product managers and designers may understand expected customer behavior better than the engineers who implemented the agent, which gives them a direct role in evaluating production trajectories and refining the product. Teams that restrict trace access and interfaces to operations staff exclude people who now contribute to the build loop, so the tooling must support technical diagnosis and product judgment together.</span></p><h3><span>Every Topology Remains Provisional</span></h3><p><span>A topology that succeeds today can regress because agent systems combine models, tools, prompts, context and external conditions that change at different rates. Wang treats regression as a central production problem because delegation reduces control over the route an agent takes, while each new task can expose a case that the earlier evaluation set never covered. One successful execution therefore proves that one configuration handled one situation, not that the architecture has established a permanent baseline.</span></p><p><span>Continued evaluation protects the design from that false confidence by showing when an agent begins taking longer paths, when coordination adds cost without improving quality and when a task that once fit inside one agent now requires a split. Traces make those changes visible, but the team still needs versioned evaluations and a stable definition of acceptable behavior to compare one configuration with another.</span></p><p><span>A durable process begins with a task-level measure of success and the simplest architecture that respects known context, expertise and latency constraints. The team captures the execution trajectory, classifies each failure before adding structure and repeats the evaluation after every material change to the topology, model, tools or context. This process does not eliminate design judgment, but it prevents an early diagram from becoming permanent without evidence.</span></p><p><span>Multi-agent architecture therefore develops through a continuing exchange between design and observation. The initial topology expresses the team&#8217;s best hypothesis about the problem, while evaluation and traces test whether that hypothesis holds under execution and remains valid as the system changes. 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Thank you for reading this issue of Deep Engineering.</p><p>Keep building,</p><p><a href="https://in.linkedin.com/in/s-jan">Saqib Jan</a> - Editor-in-Chief, Deep Engineering</p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Multi-Agent Architectures in Production with Chi Wang and Xiao Ma]]></title><description><![CDATA[When one agent stops being enough, how to tell over-decomposition from under-decomposition, why observability moved from operations into design, and what actually breaks in production]]></description><link>https://deepengineering.net/p/multi-agent-architectures-chi-wang-xiao-ma</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://deepengineering.net/p/multi-agent-architectures-chi-wang-xiao-ma</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Saqib Jan]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2026 13:08:01 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/d37fc419-ecf4-4310-9dd2-bcc25780cc79_1920x1080.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Multi-agent gets attached to almost anything now, which makes it <strong>hard to design against</strong>. The question underneath is narrower. <strong>When does a problem stop fitting inside one agent</strong>, and what do you build once it does.</p><p>We hosted a fireside chat on exactly that at ARC 2026 with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/chi-wang-49b15b16/">Chi Wang</a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/xiaoma/">Xiao Ma</a>, who have built these systems from opposite ends.</p><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/chi-wang-49b15b16/">Chi</a> created <strong>AutoGen</strong> at Microsoft Research, then <strong>AG2</strong>, <strong>MassGen</strong> and <strong>Sutando</strong>. He previously led agentic AI work as a Senior Staff Research Scientist at Google DeepMind and teaches at Stanford, Berkeley and DeepLearning.AI.</p><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/xiaoma/">Xiao</a> was chief architect at Pattern Insight and <strong>Medium</strong>, and now leads the teams building <strong>Splunk Observability Cloud</strong> at Splunk, a Cisco company, including its enterprise multi-agent systems.</p><p>Their book <a href="https://www.amazon.in/Multi-Agent-AI-Engineering-operate-coordinated-ebook/dp/B0GZKSLBNQ">Multi-Agent AI Engineering</a> is available on Amazon. We talked about when a problem needs more than one agent, how to choose a coordination pattern, and what production does to systems that looked fine in a demo.</p><div id="youtube2-oVQi6LIHWtg" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;oVQi6LIHWtg&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/oVQi6LIHWtg?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p></p><p><strong><span>Multi-agent is now attached to almost everything. What does multi-agent architecture actually mean to you this year, and is the term being used too loosely?</span></strong></p><p><strong><span>Chi Wang:</span></strong><span> The meaning of it is quite broad, and the most important paradigm can also change over time. When we talk about multi-agent, the meaning we refer to can evolve, and the reason for that change is basically that the meaning of agent, and what it encompasses, has changed.</span></p><p><span>Back in 2023 the model was GPT-4, and an agent essentially was a model plus a few tool calls. We kept making model inference using the tool, sometimes with tool calls, sometimes without. At that time, multi-agent was about how you address the weakness of these initial powerful language models. They were already powerful, but there were also a lot of limitations, so we needed to build harnesses on top of the model. Making the model reliably use tools was one of the hard problems then. We often needed multiple agents to check the results of the tool call, and to perform different tasks, because a single model is hard-pressed to follow complex instructions. We needed to decompose a big task into smaller ones and have each agent focus on a specific problem.</span></p><p><span>In 2025, most of the model providers offered their agents with built-in tool calls, and in many cases multiple different ways to configure the models to access different kinds of tool calls. Search and coding are the two common ones across different model providers, but each of them has slightly different dialects, and different strengths and weaknesses. When we solved very hard problems like the Humanity&#8217;s Last Exam benchmark, each single model plus tool at that time made a different kind of mistake. So multi-agent could mean we ask each agent to solve the same problem, then ask them to check each other&#8217;s answers and iterate on top of that. That is what MassGen tries to do, mimicking a study group kind of architecture.</span></p><p><span>This year there is even more progress in personal AI, so we can design one personal AI agent for everyone. You have your agent, I have mine. When we use them they interact with us, and they develop unique strengths. My agent may be very good at research, your agent may be very good at communication. When we put them together and let them interact, we have an even higher level of multi-agent system, because each personal AI may already contain multiple agents inside. Those powerful agents can still talk to each other, and we can compose even stronger systems. So there are different levels of architecture we can combine, and we can do this recursively. Over time we may see this abstraction go higher.</span></p><p><strong><span>Shed some light on the landscape too, and tell us what multi-agent is not, in your view.</span></strong></p><p><strong><span>Xiao Ma:</span></strong><span> The term may become confusing because there is a huge debate about how many agents you really need for your task. At some point this becomes a semantic discussion rather than the real discussion to solve problems. Multi-agent does not mean you literally have multiple repositories, multiple processes. Even with one single agent, if you give that agent different context, different memory, different roles, it can do multiple things.</span></p><p><span>There is a version where it does mean many systems, which is the concept of an internet of agents. You have very diverse agents built by different companies, built by different frameworks, and they talk to each other. That by definition is multi-agent. But even within your own system you could still have the same agent play different roles, or have parallelism of multiple agents doing the same thing at the same time, and you could still call it multi-agent.</span></p><p><span>So I would say do not fixate on multi versus single too much. Think more about the problem you want to solve. If you need parallelism, you could have the same agent doing multiple things at the same time. If you need a debate, if you need agents to check each other&#8217;s results, there is an architecture for that as well. And if you need different stages, where you have planning, you have doing the work, you have synthesizing, that is another multi-agent architecture pattern you can follow.</span></p><p><strong><span>The standard advice is to start with one capable agent and some good tools. When does a problem genuinely require multiple agents rather than one agent with more tools?</span></strong></p><p><strong><span>Chi Wang:</span></strong><span> The simplest answer is that when the problem is too complex for a single agent to handle, you need multiple agents. But if we break that down and get more specific, and if we refer to a single agent as, for example, a personal AI agent that I can delegate my daily tasks to, like writing, developing code, communication, then there are two questions you need to check.</span></p><p><span>The first question is, can you easily provide all the context and information needed for the agent to finish the task. The second is, can the agent effectively and efficiently use all the information you provide. If the answer to both is yes, then a single agent is enough. If either answer is no, then probably you need multiple agents.</span></p><p><span>An example for the first question is scheduling a meeting. I have my schedule, you have your schedule. Can we easily use a single agent to collect both? It is kind of hard, because we probably want to retain the information boundary. I am comfortable sharing my information with my agent, you are comfortable sharing with yours, but we probably would not be comfortable sharing with a common agent. And during the coordination, agents sometimes need to communicate back with us, and we probably want a private conversation with each of our own agents. So even when the problem sounds very simple, just scheduling a meeting, the answer to the first question is already hard.</span></p><p><span>For the second question, I often need to provide context in different modalities. Sometimes I want to just speak to my agent, or share screen, or share my camera, share vision in real time. Other times I share information by chatting. Although an agent can potentially combine different sources of information, a single agent may not necessarily do all the things I want efficiently at one time. Sometimes I want a real-time result back without long waiting, and there are certain agents that are very good at that, but a single model plus tools cannot do both kinds of requirement with today&#8217;s technology. So I often need to use different agents designed for slightly different purposes, and also have a way to connect them together to solve the problem.</span></p><p><strong><span>You see thousands of teams building with AG2. What is the most common mistake in how people decompose a problem into agents?</span></strong></p><p><strong><span>Chi Wang:</span></strong><span> In general there are two kinds of mistake, over-decomposing and under-decomposing. But I think under-decomposing is not necessarily a bad choice in the beginning, because if the problem indeed can be solved by a single agent, why should you create more? You should always prefer to start from the simplest setting.</span></p><p><span>That is what I did, and you could say that was a mistake, but I would not know it was a mistake if I had not tried it. When I started building AutoGen, what I wanted was just to build a single simple agent that could write code and iterate on the code. Write code, revise code, keep iterating in a loop. That was the initial design of AutoGen, and it apparently failed. But it was still a good thing to try, because it might have worked. Today, with a more powerful model, I think that pattern can get very far already. So you should always keep the simple design as the initial starting point, and only decompose when you need to.</span></p><p><span>That is what happened with AutoGen. Initially we tried to use a single agent and kept adding more instructions to handle all the errors and exceptions encountered in different situations, until the instructions became too long and the agent could not follow them. Then I started to slowly decompose, so each agent does a smaller set of things and can focus.</span></p><p><span>This year, that loop of using one agent to keep trying things and keep refining is quite good at solving much more complex tasks than in 2023. But if you use that single pattern for everything, the problem is that you probably have tasks of high diversity. Some tasks take very long. If I want to design an agent to rewrite itself and improve itself, that is a continuous process that always needs to be on. Other tasks are temporary, like writing a particular piece of content one time. If you mix these types without good decomposition they will hurt each other, and they will be confused about when to prioritize what. So then you gradually add more decomposition to handle it. But always start from the simplest.</span></p><p><strong><span>Chi has covered under-decomposition. What is the signal that a team has over-decomposed, that they have split work into agents that now only add coordination overhead?</span></strong></p><p><strong><span>Xiao Ma:</span></strong><span> I would build on what Chi just mentioned. I probably see more under-decomposition than over-decomposition. In my opinion there are three major questions we should ask ourselves when we decide how many agents we need.</span></p><p><span>The first is what Chi mentioned, can you really fit the context into a single agent. I think about this with humans as well. Our brain is not really good at multitasking and context switching. Can we really do a lot of things in one setting effectively? I do not think so. A similar thing applies to a large language model.</span></p><p><span>The second is whether you need parallelism. If you really need to explore different paths, to try different things at the same time for the sake of latency or efficiency, that is another reason to have multiple agents.</span></p><p><span>Let me give one particular example. In Splunk Observability Cloud we tackle how we observe multi-agent systems, but we also tackle the problem of how we use multi-agent systems to help people triage their system problems. All of the audience are engineers, and we all know that when the system is down we have a so-called war room, a group of people coming together to triage an outage. Think about what different roles we have in that setting. Usually we have an incident commander, and that person is really good at customer communication, really good at organizing information to post updates in different channels. And we have maybe multiple subject experts from different teams. Someone knows the service really well. Someone may know the infrastructure database really well. Someone may know Kubernetes really well. They all come together, they bring different expertise, they use different tools, they do different exploration in parallel. And then they also converge. If I find something interesting I will post it in a certain format, other people can read it, and they may continue their triage based on what I found.</span></p><p><span>Picture that kind of collaboration in a real production outage war room, and apply it to a multi-agent system. You have different agents doing different things, their context is more focused on what they are really good at, so they can do a really good job very fast. Then we gather the information back, and there may be another agent to synthesize and do the next stage of triage. If your problem fits into that model, if you would have multiple people doing the work, and you need them to collaborate and coordinate while focusing on their own expertise, that is a very strong signal you need a multi-agent system. The way you would decompose a task to human teams, you can decompose in a similar way to machine teams.</span></p><p><strong><span>AG2 grew out of conversational multi-agent patterns and MassGen pushes in a different direction with parallel agents converging on an answer. How should an architect choose among conversational, hierarchical manager and worker, and parallel topologies? What actually decides the shape?</span></strong></p><p><strong><span>Chi Wang:</span></strong><span> Most of the time it is just about the nature of the problem you are trying to solve, and it is often easy to tell just by thinking about how humans would approach it. Suppose you have unlimited resources and you can let agents do anything you want. What is the most effective way, from your experience, that the problem has been solved? It is quite often just common sense.</span></p><p><span>The non-obvious part is often about knowing what a single agent can do in your existing system. By single agent there are also different granularities, different levels. If you have already built agents at different levels, that is good knowledge you can use, because if you start with the most powerful agent you have built, the type of multi-agent system will be very different from when you start with low-level agents that do simpler things.</span></p><p><span>If you already have a very strong single agent that can almost solve the task but makes some errors sometimes, then you could use a parallel pattern and design several diverse agents. Each of them may make different kinds of mistakes, but they can all fundamentally solve the same problem, and just sometimes succeed and sometimes fail. That is the scenario where you apply parallel agents and converge to refine each other&#8217;s answers.</span></p><p><span>If the problem looks very much unsolvable by a single agent, not just making mistakes sometimes but fundamentally having a very low success rate, like single-digit success rate, that means you probably need more complex patterns that do more decomposition. You need to make each single agent reach at least more than ninety percent, and then use some verification pattern, or an independent checker agent, to fill the gap of the last mile. During that conversation each agent might be doing very heterogeneous things, and you probably need a more complex conversation pattern to piece them together.</span></p><p><strong><span>How much coordination logic should live in explicit orchestration code, and how much should be left to the agents to negotiate themselves? Where is that line today, and is it moving?</span></strong></p><p><strong><span>Chi Wang:</span></strong><span> It is always moving. The most tricky scenario is when you do not own all the agents in the system. If you own all of them, then you can basically profile each of them, because you know what level of complexity each one is, and choose a pattern in the way I just described.</span></p><p><span>But what if you cannot see their internals? What if you only know that I have an agent, you have an agent, and each of our teams has their own agents, but we do not know how they are implemented? Or if you are dealing with some external party&#8217;s agents, and we have totally no clue how complex they are and what they can do. What assumptions should we make about dealing with these types of agents?</span></p><p><span>When you do not have a lot of information about them, you have to make it flexible. You probably need to design your agent to be able to deal with different types of other agents, and often you cannot make too many assumptions about how capable they are. Only if you verify what they can do do you decide the most efficient way. If you find that they are less capable, then when you communicate with them you must first decompose on your side and then give them simpler tasks. Otherwise you could just provide a very high-level goal and assume they can stick to it. So figuring out the profiling of the agents is quite important.</span></p><p><strong><span>Xiao Ma:</span></strong><span> I do not want to sell too hard, but that is a big topic in our book. In reality there is a lot of theoretical discussion we could have before we build. I am not trying to trivialize the architecture design side of things, but based on Chi&#8217;s experience and my own, a lot of this also comes from just trying it out.</span></p><p><span>This is where evaluation and observability really come in. You could try one architecture, one topology, one pattern, and just see how these agents work together. Do they really solve your problem? The only way to know that is to have already thought about evaluation and observability beforehand. You need to understand how these agents are talking to each other. These are not just static code where you can take a call stack dump and know all the details, or where you can read the source code. When agents communicate, a lot of things are non-deterministic during production time.</span></p><p><span>Once you have a really good evaluation, not just for individual LLM call and response but for the whole system, you know the trajectory, how agents talk to each other, what kind of information they exchange. And then you have the observability to have all the traces you can analyze. That gives you the information to really decide whether you need to pivot on the topology, whether you need a different model, or whether you need a different context setting for the agents. By trying different things, that is probably the best answer to really carve that line between more decomposition and more consolidation.</span></p><p><strong><span>From the enterprise position, we have MCP for tools and the emerging agent-to-agent standards. Are we heading toward real interoperability, or just another round of framework lock-in with better branding?</span></strong></p><p><strong><span>Xiao Ma:</span></strong><span> Things are evolving so fast that my answer may be different in just a week or so. But on the practical view, MCP and A2A are the two things you should always start with. There are many other protocols you could consider, but most production systems are not that complex. MCP and A2A are, in my opinion, the bare minimum. One is to really abstract the tool use, the other is to facilitate the communication between agents.</span></p><p><span>If you expand to what I mentioned at the beginning, a so-called internet of agents where you have many agents from different companies and different teams, then there are a lot of other questions you should answer. One of the framework infrastructures developed by Cisco&#8217;s Outshift team, AGNTCY, tries to solve some of those problems. There is identity, authorization, even how you run different agents and how you measure their performance. Once your problem scope becomes that large you need to worry about other protocols. But to start with, have MCP, have A2A, and you can do a lot with just those two.</span></p><blockquote><p><em><span>Xiao Ma leads Splunk Observability Cloud at Splunk, a Cisco company, and AGNTCY originated at Cisco&#8217;s Outshift incubator.</span></em></p></blockquote><p><strong><span>Chi Wang:</span></strong><span> If we look back at the framework environment, every time the model is upgraded, or the harness on top of the model is upgraded, that brings a whole new set of challenges. It changes the focal point about where interoperability is required.</span></p><p><span>MassGen is one example. When we started building MassGen we did not have real interoperability across the model providers&#8217; most powerful agent offerings at that time. Initially it was more about interoperability across models, because we wanted a way to delegate the same task to different models. That layer was relatively easy before last year. But when each model provider started to offer their own agent offering, it was not just making model inference standard, it was about their internal reasoning, their tool use, and what gets exposed to developers. There were lots of issues in that regard, so we had to build our own interoperable layer to make these agents able not only to solve the problem by themselves but also to share and check each other&#8217;s answers. That already required more interoperability challenges to be solved.</span></p><p><span>This year the single agent&#8217;s power has moved higher. That does not mean the previous protocols are not useful. At the relatively lower level of abstraction, how you abstract models and tools, you should use MCP. And for combining relatively simple agents talking to each other, you probably use A2A. But as the single harness becomes more and more complex, like Codex and Claude Code, these coding agents already have MCP built in, they already have other protocols built in, but they present themselves as even more complex agents than before. How do we make them interoperate with each other? How do we combine multiple such coding agents, or customize them to do things beyond coding, and make them a personal AI that does everything, or add non-coding capability like processing real-time requests, processing audio and visual? Right now they are scattered across different types of models and different types of systems.</span></p><p><span>What we really want is a single standard that can process all of these, and use some unique protocols to piece them together. And when you make a personal AI usable by other people as well, and even let different personal AI agents talk to each other, then we need higher-level protocol standards. So this is a constantly evolving landscape. The previous protocols will still be useful at a certain layer, and we will then need new protocols for the higher layer.</span></p><p><strong><span>You build AI observability as a product. What does observing a multi-agent system require that metrics, logs and traces do not already give us?</span></strong></p><p><strong><span>Xiao Ma:</span></strong><span> The biggest shift from observing multi-agent systems compared to traditional systems is that for traditional systems, observability is more of a production concern and less of a building concern. It is more on the operations side, because you observe because you want to know latency, you want to triage an outage. You use MELT, metrics, events, logs and traces, mostly for triaging systems, and you occasionally use the data for building. If I know there is a performance bottleneck, if I know there are some bugs, I can use the data for my building. But I would say ninety-five percent of the case is build first and observe second.</span></p><p><span>The multi-agent system is the other way around, because the building part essentially relies on the observability data and the evaluation data. One example we mentioned earlier is that you do not even know the best topology, the best way to decompose your system. You need observability to teach you how to do this. And there are many cases where your building is essentially iterating on the topology and the prompt, or skills, whatever term we use today, rather than writing a bunch of code. The way to iterate on the topology and the architecture of your agents is using the evaluation and observability data.</span></p><p><span>It has evolved even to a point where observability has different personas now. Previously the personas were just SRE, just operations folks, and sometimes the developer. But today the agent observability persona is operations folks, developers, and even PMs and designers. There are many other functions that need to use observability data to really build the system.</span></p><p><span>For example, if you are building a customer support agent system, and I am not an engineer, I am a PM on that system, I want to know if my system is responding to customer support questions properly, because I know the product requirement and I know how the system should behave. Previously I would not write code as a PM, I do not know how to write code. But today my job is literally that I go to the observability product, I look through some of the dataset collected from the production system, and I know if the system is answering questions in a proper way. As a PM I literally have a role to use evaluation and observability products to improve my system, to build my system. So that is a reverse of build first, observe second. Everyone starts building with observability and evaluation data. That is the biggest shift I have seen.</span></p><p><strong><span>What do the characteristic production failure modes look like? Things like cascading errors, agent looping, silent drift. How do you catch them before your customers do?</span></strong></p><p><strong><span>Xiao Ma:</span></strong><span> Everything you mentioned could happen, and this is where I would add another one, which is cost. If you read industry news you probably already see a lot of news about cost. We did not really think about cost when people first built LLM-based systems. They felt, let us solve the customer pain first, and if cost becomes a problem that would be a nice problem to have. But today it is a problem, and it is a very big problem. It is not a nice problem to have, it is actually a very painful problem, both for internal usage of AI tooling and when we build systems based on LLMs, and the cost is going through the roof.</span></p><p><span>In order to identify these problems, again this goes back to evaluation and observability, because these are not problems you can just design out of. You have to observe and iterate. A lot of things you can observe from traces. If you have proper instrumentation and an observability product, you can literally see that maybe some agents are just debating for too long, way too long, before they converge, or that there is not enough parallelism to be more effective.</span></p><p><span>We are also applying AI to identify these things. We call it observability for AI, and AI for observability, and these two sides of the coin are converging very fast. Once you have all these agent traces you can apply AI to understand what the potential problems are. Sometimes they are not converging fast enough. Sometimes they do not have the right context. Sometimes they make wrong tool calls. Once you have enough observing data you can easily identify these anomalies with the power of AI.</span></p><p><strong><span>So all the things you mentioned are real production failure modes, and the only way to identify them is to have a solid evaluation and observability system up front. That is not an afterthought anymore. That is encoded into your building, your entire development cycle.</span></strong></p><p><strong><span>Chi Wang:</span></strong><span> One common type of failure I observe is regression. Often, initially, we do not know whether an agent can do a certain type of task very well, so we try it and we find it works, then we assume it always works. But at some time it suddenly breaks down and you have a hard time finding out why.</span></p><p><span>I think the reasons are twofold. One is that agents by definition are something we can delegate many different types of things to without worrying about the details. The less you worry about details, the more diverse the type of task they solve, and they need to figure it out by themselves. You cannot predict all the types of problems or difficulties they encounter. So even if they work today, it just means that for the scenarios they ran today it works, but there can be many other situations they could not handle, and you cannot know all of them in front.</span></p><p><span>The second reason is that an agent system is often a big system that contains many moving parts. The model can change, the tools underneath the model can change, the context can change. So a few working points just means that for that particular combination at around that time, things work. But when things change, and even when all the things do not change, the external world might change. Because of this there are so many moving pieces, so regression is also harder to manage than in traditional software.</span></p><div><hr></div><h3><strong><span>Audience questions</span></strong></h3><p><strong><span>What is the biggest engineering challenge you face in production that most people building multi-agent systems do not anticipate?</span></strong></p><p><strong><span>Chi Wang:</span></strong><span> I have encountered many such examples myself, and the regression problem I just mentioned is probably one big one. As I mentioned, the challenge is how you make the system not just work once, but always work, moving on with all the dynamic changes.</span></p><p><span>It is not very hard to give it one particular task and say this is my task I want to solve, and if it cannot, just keep revising until it can. Today&#8217;s agents are quite good at that. If you give them a particular task, even if it fails in the beginning, it often can figure out ways to address it. But whether the way they address a problem is general enough to handle all future types of task is not necessarily easy. When we talk about multi-agent systems, it often means that the particular decomposition and the particular way of coordinating them need to account for all the different future situations. I think that is still a very open problem.</span></p><p><strong><span>Xiao Ma:</span></strong><span> I would only add to Chi&#8217;s point. Chi mentioned regression. I would say even one step forward, the biggest question is, do you even know the first time whether your system works or not in real production? It probably works for demos, but does it actually work in production systems, solving real problems?</span></p><p><span>For traditional systems, if you pass your test, pass your QA, whatsoever, you roughly know it solves the problem, because it is well defined and it is deterministic. But for multi-agent systems, knowing whether it works in the first place is one thing which most people did not anticipate. And that is where, again, evaluation and observability come in to help.</span></p><p><strong><span>What would you recommend for observability tooling, and will the GenAI semantic conventions become the standard?</span></strong></p><p><strong><span>Xiao Ma:</span></strong><span> Obviously I have a strong bias, and I would recommend Splunk Observability Cloud, which is the flagship Cisco product for observability.</span></p><p><span>On the GenAI semantic conventions, the answer is certainly yes. We are a big advocate for OpenTelemetry. For people who do not know what OTel means, it is basically an open standard to instrument and collect data for observability, for both traditional systems and agentic systems. As a matter of fact, Splunk is one of the inventors of OTel, six or seven years ago, and we are still the biggest contributor in the open source community. And yes, the GenAI semantic conventions will be the standard.</span></p><p><strong><span>Most of what these models know comes from English. How do you correct for that bias?</span></strong></p><p><strong><span>Chi Wang:</span></strong><span> In general, one good way to correct bias is to use the MassGen type of approach, to not have only one agent solving a problem but to have multiple of them, each with a different kind of bias. The more diverse you make it, the chance for all of them to be wrong is smaller. So in this particular example, if you have models that have a really different kind of bias than the common ones, add them into the system.</span></p><p><span>Another way is to not only rely on language models but also add tools. How you configure the tools and how you configure the language models are also ways to increase the diversity. When you configure them differently, they can behave very differently.</span></p><p><span>And then you use a MassGen type of approach, to not trust any single one of them but have the different agents join together to check each other&#8217;s answers. It is still non-trivial to find out the correct one out of many different answers, because sometimes the truth is in the minority. If you use traditional voting you may not necessarily get things right. So it is not simple voting. It needs to be some careful reasoning, and not simple majority voting, to reach consensus. Often you do not just simply vote, you think about whether there is a better answer, whether none of the existing answers is good enough, whether you need to iterate based on the existing answers.</span></p><p><span>When you keep asking an agent to do that, sometimes they will identify their own bias and rethink whether they should do it in a different way. So even when all the answers are wrong, if they are wrong in different ways they realize they need to rethink the problem. As long as you can trigger that, there is hope that you can iterate and eventually get a better answer, even if you could not solve the problem completely.</span></p><div><hr></div><ul><li><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/chi-wang-49b15b16/"><span>Chi Wang</span></a><span> is the creator of AutoGen, AG2, MassGen and Sutando, and teaches at Stanford, Berkeley, Coursera and DeepLearning.AI.</span><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/xiaoma/"><span> </span></a></p></li></ul><ul><li><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/xiaoma/"><span>Xiao Ma</span></a><span> leads the teams building Splunk Observability Cloud at Splunk, a Cisco company. Their book</span><a href="https://www.packtpub.com/en-us/product/multi-agent-ai-engineering-9781806690879"><span> Multi-Agent AI Engineering</span></a><span> publishes on 24 September 2026.</span></p></li></ul>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Forward Deployed Engineer Jobs Are Out There. Hiring Is Harder Than The Postings Suggest]]></title><description><![CDATA[Forward deployed engineer postings rose 729 percent in April 2026. Three leaders explain when to hire FDEs, how to structure the team, and what holds good ones.]]></description><link>https://deepengineering.net/p/forward-deployed-engineer-jobs-hiring</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://deepengineering.net/p/forward-deployed-engineer-jobs-hiring</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Saqib Jan]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2026 20:22:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/78dec1ee-5bce-4c13-83a7-c4e7f53dac88_2760x1096.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As companies integrate advanced AI systems into core workflows, they need engineers who can turn persuasive pilots into reliable production systems. And so, a disciplined hiring approach should define the job, evaluate candidates, structure the team, and keep field learning connected to the product.</p><p><span>Forward deployed engineer postings were roughly </span><strong><span>729 percent</span></strong><span> higher in</span><strong><span> April 2026</span></strong><span> than a year earlier, according to an Indeed index reported by </span><a href="https://www.businessinsider.com/forward-deployed-engineer-jobs-in-demand-2026-5"><span>Business Insider</span></a><span>. While the figure covers one job board rather than the whole market, the direction is hard to ignore.</span></p><p><span>Anthropic, OpenAI, Palantir, Stripe, and Google Cloud have all recruited for this role as AI vendors push beyond model access and into enterprise deployment. </span><a href="https://openai.com/careers/forward-deployed-engineer-%28fde%29-sf-san-francisco/"><span>OpenAI&#8217;s current San Francisco role</span></a><span> covers discovery through production rollout and measures success through adoption, workflow impact, and feedback that reaches product and model roadmaps.</span></p><p><span>That broad scope explains the demand, while it also exposes the risk created by weak job descriptions and vague accountability. Hiring teams often select polished customer engineers, strong coders who avoid ambiguity, or heroic generalists who burn out under responsibilities that should belong to a team.</span></p><p><span>But the strongest operating models define a production outcome, test candidates inside realistic uncertainty, and protect a formal path from customer exceptions back into the product. And they treat forward deployment as a repeatable engineering system rather than a collection of individual rescues performed by unusually resilient employees.</span></p><blockquote><p><strong>Deep Engineering</strong> spoke with <strong>three women</strong> leading AI delivery, data science, and forward deployed engineering to understand what the role owns and where its operating model fails. Their responses point toward a practical hiring model that values production adoption, technical judgment, customer context, and reusable product learning in equal measure.</p></blockquote><h2><span>Production adoption is what the role actually owns</span></h2><p><span>Useful FDE definitions converge on the same outcome because the engineer remains accountable until a system works inside the customer&#8217;s environment and changes a measurable workflow. Discovery meetings, architecture reviews, implementation support, and custom code all matter, but they describe activities rather than the business result that justifies the role.</span></p><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ritikasingh"><span>Ritika Singh</span></a><span>, COO at </span><a href="https://www.datagol.ai/"><span>DataGOL</span></a><span>, focuses that accountability on the difficult distance between an impressive demonstration and an operating system that survives real data, permissions, compliance gates, undocumented processes, and stakeholders with conflicting incentives. &#8220;An FDE is not about a demo, not a signed pilot, not an architecture diagram everyone nods at in a conference room,&#8221; she says. Her framing gives hiring leaders a better first line for the job description than the familiar list of customer-facing responsibilities.</span></p><div class="pullquote"><p></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!x_Fj!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe116e9ca-5143-4a5c-995b-901003ab73cf_200x200.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!x_Fj!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe116e9ca-5143-4a5c-995b-901003ab73cf_200x200.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!x_Fj!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe116e9ca-5143-4a5c-995b-901003ab73cf_200x200.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!x_Fj!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe116e9ca-5143-4a5c-995b-901003ab73cf_200x200.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!x_Fj!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe116e9ca-5143-4a5c-995b-901003ab73cf_200x200.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!x_Fj!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe116e9ca-5143-4a5c-995b-901003ab73cf_200x200.jpeg" width="256" height="256" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/e116e9ca-5143-4a5c-995b-901003ab73cf_200x200.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:200,&quot;width&quot;:200,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:256,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Ritika Singh - DataGOL | LinkedIn&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Ritika Singh - DataGOL | LinkedIn&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Ritika Singh - DataGOL | LinkedIn" title="Ritika Singh - DataGOL | LinkedIn" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!x_Fj!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe116e9ca-5143-4a5c-995b-901003ab73cf_200x200.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!x_Fj!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe116e9ca-5143-4a5c-995b-901003ab73cf_200x200.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!x_Fj!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe116e9ca-5143-4a5c-995b-901003ab73cf_200x200.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!x_Fj!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe116e9ca-5143-4a5c-995b-901003ab73cf_200x200.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ritikasingh"><span>Ritika Singh</span></a></strong><span><br>COO at </span><a href="https://www.datagol.ai/"><span>DataGOL</span></a></p><p><span>&#8220;The problem with most FDE job descriptions is that they list activities, not accountability.&#8221;</span></p></div><p><span>&#8220;Shipping without extracting the pattern makes you a very expensive contractor. Extracting patterns without shipping makes you an analyst,&#8221; Singh explains. Because that balance matters, leaders should translate production adoption into one customer metric and one engineering metric before opening the role for recruitment. The customer metric might track cycle time, exception rate, revenue recovery, or user adoption, while the engineering metric should show whether reliability, evaluation coverage, deployment speed, or reuse improves across engagements.</span></p><p><span>Write the success line before writing the qualifications, and make it concrete enough that a candidate can explain how they would establish a baseline, Singh recommends. &#8220;A strong version says the engineer owns production adoption and measurable workflow impact through rollout, while a weak version merely promises exposure to strategic customers and frontier technology.&#8221;</span></p><h2><span>A new title covers an old operating gap</span></h2><p><span>Palantir popularized the forward deployed model by embedding technical teams with customers, but the current AI hiring wave has broadened the title across product companies, frontier laboratories, consultancies, and infrastructure vendors. That matters because many employers now use one label for several jobs with different incentives, customer loads, and definitions of finished work.</span></p><p><span>In many organizations, solutions engineering helps a buyer understand the product, validates a possible architecture, and reduces technical risk before a purchase. A builder-style FDE stays through production, contributes working code, owns adoption, and converts repeated exceptions into product capabilities that make later deployments faster and safer.</span></p><p><span>The practical distinction appears in the weekly calendar and the performance scorecard rather than the title printed on an offer. A role built around many accounts, demonstrations, technical qualification, and revenue-linked compensation behaves like pre-sales, while a role built around a few deep deployments, production ownership, and documented reuse behaves like forward deployed engineering.</span></p><p><span>Companies can operate either model successfully, but candidates and managers need an accurate description of the work before they commit. Renaming a solutions role without changing the customer load, decision rights, engineering expectations, or product feedback loop creates confusion for employees and weak results for customers.</span></p><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><strong>&#9889; <a href="https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/forward-deployed-engineering-fde-workshop-from-ai-demo-to-production-tickets-1996779962620?aff=deepeng">Forward Deployed Engineering Workshop</a></strong></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mGbL!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3c7d369d-0fbc-480c-9f35-5f9963cb8fc5_1880x879.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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<strong>Google</strong>, will lead two live sessions. You will map the FDE skill stack, scope a 90-day agent deployment for a regulated customer, and defend it in a CISO hot seat.</p><p><strong>September</strong> <strong>19</strong> and <strong>20</strong>. <strong><a href="https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/forward-deployed-engineering-fde-workshop-from-ai-demo-to-production-tickets-1996779962620?aff=deepeng">Reserve your seat</a></strong></p></div><h2><span>Hire the function only when the economics support it</span></h2><p><span>Dedicated FDE headcount earns its place when strategic customers have genuinely different environments, repeated deployment friction keeps revealing useful product patterns, and the contract economics can support deep engineering attention. Without those conditions, a company usually needs clearer templates, stronger onboarding, better product defaults, or a conventional post-sales motion before it needs a new function.</span></p><p><span>Singh argues that teams should reserve FDE capacity for complex, high-value accounts instead of spreading expensive engineers across every customer. &#8220;Spread across every deal, the role burns out fast,&#8221; Singh reasons. &#8220;Applied surgically to the deals that actually move the company, it is one of the highest-leverage hires you can make.&#8221; Her threshold protects the role from becoming an unlimited customization queue, while preserving enough concentrated field exposure to uncover patterns that the core product team could not see from roadmap discussions alone.</span></p><p><span>A useful planning test compares the expected customer value with the fully loaded deployment cost, including travel, security reviews, support load, and productization time. The model improves only when later deployments reuse earlier work, so leaders should expect cycle time and custom code to decline as the function matures.</span></p><p><span>Travel and customer load belong in that economic model because they shape performance, retention, and the number of deployments one engineer can own. </span><a href="https://openai.com/careers/forward-deployed-engineer-%28fde%29-sf-san-francisco/"><span>OpenAI&#8217;s current posting</span></a><span> allows travel up to 50 percent, which shows why leaders must disclose the real operating rhythm instead of treating travel as a minor line near the end.</span></p><h2><span>Write the job around decisions and boundaries</span></h2><p><span>A strong job description opens with the production outcome and then states the ownership arc from discovery through stable rollout. It explains whether the engineer writes customer-specific code, changes the core product, carries an on-call obligation, manages the deployment plan, or relies on separate delivery and program leadership.</span></p><p><span>Next, define decision rights across scope, architecture, security, and customer commitments, because ambiguity becomes expensive when a deployment is already under pressure. Candidates should know which tradeoffs they can make independently, which decisions need customer approval, and who resolves conflict between a near-term delivery request and the long-term product direction.</span></p><p><span>Then expose the workload through expected travel, number of concurrent customers, engagement length, escalation coverage, and protected productization time. These details help serious candidates assess the job, while discouraging applicants who want customer visibility without the sustained engineering and operational responsibility that follows the sale.</span></p><p><span>State the non-goals with equal clarity, because FDEs should not become permanent support engineers, unbounded professional services, or convenient owners for every cross-functional gap. The job should end a one-off dependency by creating a reusable component, a tested integration pattern, a documented limitation, or a clear product decision.</span></p><h2><span>Interview for how agentic systems fail</span></h2><p><span>Once the role is clear on paper, the hiring loop must test whether candidates can diagnose the failures they will encounter inside a customer environment. Agentic AI makes that evaluation harder because a system can complete a task while taking the wrong path, using weak context, calling unnecessary tools, violating an approval boundary, or consuming more budget than the business value it creates. Traditional pass or fail testing cannot reveal enough about that behavior when permissions, exceptions, costs, and customer conditions keep changing.</span></p><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/1swaatii/"><span>Swati Tyagi</span></a><span>, Senior Manager in Data Science and AI/ML at </span><a href="https://www.tredence.com/"><span>Tredence</span></a><span>, argues that trace-level behavior now matters alongside final output quality. Her view expands the technical bar for FDE hiring beyond model familiarity and toward the observability, evaluation, permissions, and business controls required for reliable production operation.</span></p><div class="pullquote"><p></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!v113!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F85a02479-a420-4d42-a0e2-2181e3a86079_1280x1019.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!v113!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F85a02479-a420-4d42-a0e2-2181e3a86079_1280x1019.png 424w, 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Tyagi says. She recommends replacing a generic AI coding screen with &#8220;a broken agent trace that shows plausible output, inefficient tool selection, a permissions flaw, and a business loss hidden behind acceptable aggregate metrics.&#8221; Ask the candidate to isolate the failure, define the missing instrumentation, propose an evaluation set, and describe the rollback or human review boundary. This exercise shows how the candidate investigates ambiguous behavior and whether that person can protect the business while repairing the underlying system.</span></p><p><span>And the strongest response will connect technical behavior to business consequences without treating either side as somebody else&#8217;s responsibility, while distinguishing a fix for this customer from a reusable improvement to the harness, evaluation framework, permission model, or product interface that prevents the same failure elsewhere.</span></p><h2><span>Build a unit instead of hiring a superhero</span></h2><p><span>Tyagi also warns that companies often write one job description for several people, combining customer discovery, domain expertise, AI engineering, data architecture, organizational change, and production ownership into a single heroic profile. &#8220;The scalable unit is the team, not the individual,&#8221; she cautions. Exceptional generalists exist, but a hiring plan that assumes every seat will hold one creates a fragile operating model and a narrow talent funnel.</span></p><p><span>Anthropic&#8217;s current hiring model offers a useful example as a separate </span><a href="https://www.anthropic.com/careers/jobs/5017903008"><span>Technical Deployment Lead</span></a><span> owns scoping, stakeholder management, value measurement, and delivery complexity while working alongside FDEs who build the technical solution. That separation keeps technical execution close to customer reality without forcing every engineer to carry the entire commercial and organizational burden alone.</span></p><p><span>A scalable deployment unit pairs the FDE with a product counterpart, a customer domain owner, and shared platform, security, or governance support that can move quickly. The exact composition can change by engagement, but every responsibility needs an explicit owner before the team enters a production environment.</span></p><p><span>Because the FDE remains the technical integrator closest to the customer, the team should not dilute that person&#8217;s ownership through endless handoffs. The surrounding unit exists to remove specialist bottlenecks and clarify decisions, while the FDE keeps the system, workflow, and customer outcome connected from discovery through adoption.</span></p><h2><span>Put the function near engineering and protect the product loop</span></h2><p><span>Reporting lines shape the product loop because incentives decide whether field learning becomes durable software or disappears inside delivery work. A revenue-only system naturally rewards closing the current engagement, while an engineering system can also reward reducing future deployment effort and improving the underlying product.</span></p><p><span>Singh (of DataGOL) places the function inside engineering or a tight engineering and product hybrid, with constant collaboration across go-to-market teams but technical leadership over goals and development standards. &#8220;The mistake is having their goals, comp, and reporting line resolve to revenue rather than to product,&#8221; she says. That structure protects customer urgency without turning FDEs into consultants whose success ends when the statement of work closes.</span></p><p><span>Keep the technical reporting line, then add shared objectives with product and a regular review where field patterns receive an explicit disposition. Every recurring exception should become a reusable component, a roadmap decision, a documented product boundary, or a deliberate services commitment, rather than an unresolved note in a customer channel.</span></p><p><span>Singh proposes roughly 70 to 80 percent of capacity on customer delivery and about 20 percent on productization. The exact ratio will vary, but a protected allocation matters because the product loop disappears whenever leaders treat reuse as optional work that can wait until customer pressure falls.</span></p><p><span>Measure that loop through deployment cycle time, reuse rate, recurring defect classes, custom code retired, and field-originated product changes that reach general availability. These metrics show whether forward deployment compounds into a better platform or simply accumulates expensive customer-specific debt behind a fashionable title.</span></p><h2><span>Design the first ninety days around one reusable win</span></h2><p><span>The first ninety days should prove the operating model rather than test how much ambiguity a new hire can absorb without help. Leaders need to provide customer access, technical context, product sponsorship, and a deployment with enough importance to matter but enough support to become a learning environment.</span></p><p><span>Singh describes strong early performers as people who separate the blocker a customer states from the constraint that actually prevents adoption, then ship one visible improvement before the relationship loses momentum. &#8220;Those are rarely the same thing,&#8221; she says. Misfires remain in discovery, stay distant from the customer, or produce throwaway work that cannot help the next deployment.</span></p><p><span>During the first thirty days, the new hire should map the customer workflow, establish baseline measures, document system boundaries, and identify the decisions that could block production. The manager should evaluate the quality of diagnosis and access gained, rather than rewarding a premature volume of code.</span></p><p><span>Between days thirty-one and sixty, the engineer should deliver one safe, visible win with evaluation, observability, rollback, and adoption responsibilities included. The result should improve a customer metric while producing enough technical evidence to guide the larger deployment plan.</span></p><p><span>By day ninety, the engineer should convert one lesson into a reusable asset and present the pattern to product and engineering leadership. That artifact might be an integration component, evaluation suite, deployment playbook, permission pattern, or product proposal with evidence from the customer environment.</span></p><h2><span>Make the career path visible before the first offer</span></h2><p><span>Retention depends on whether forward deployment expands an engineer&#8217;s authority or traps that person inside a permanent queue of exceptions. Candidates will accept demanding customer work when it builds technical range, domain credibility, product influence, and a visible path toward broader leadership.</span></p><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jayeeta-putatunda/"><span>Jayeeta Putatunda</span></a><span>, Forward Deployed AI Engineering Lead at </span><a href="https://www.turing.com/">Turing</a><span>, sees the role as a durable response to the execution gap between controlled AI capability and enterprise production. At Turing, she also sees the career ceiling arriving when companies consume deployment effort without returning agency or product influence.</span></p><div class="pullquote"><p></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!n4k3!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3d5ad6e0-e16a-47cc-bf5f-989aed1366d4_400x400.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!n4k3!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3d5ad6e0-e16a-47cc-bf5f-989aed1366d4_400x400.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!n4k3!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3d5ad6e0-e16a-47cc-bf5f-989aed1366d4_400x400.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!n4k3!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3d5ad6e0-e16a-47cc-bf5f-989aed1366d4_400x400.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!n4k3!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3d5ad6e0-e16a-47cc-bf5f-989aed1366d4_400x400.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!n4k3!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3d5ad6e0-e16a-47cc-bf5f-989aed1366d4_400x400.jpeg" width="248" height="248" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/3d5ad6e0-e16a-47cc-bf5f-989aed1366d4_400x400.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:400,&quot;width&quot;:400,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:248,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Jayeeta Putatunda - AI Loves Data&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Jayeeta Putatunda - AI Loves Data" title="Jayeeta Putatunda - AI Loves Data" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!n4k3!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3d5ad6e0-e16a-47cc-bf5f-989aed1366d4_400x400.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!n4k3!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3d5ad6e0-e16a-47cc-bf5f-989aed1366d4_400x400.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!n4k3!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3d5ad6e0-e16a-47cc-bf5f-989aed1366d4_400x400.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!n4k3!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3d5ad6e0-e16a-47cc-bf5f-989aed1366d4_400x400.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jayeeta-putatunda/"><span>Jayeeta Putatunda</span></a></strong><span><br>Forward Deployed AI Engineering Lead at </span><a href="https://www.turing.com/"><span>Turing</span></a></p><p><em><span>&#8220;After two years, strong FDEs could move into product, platform engineering, vertical leadership, solution architecture, or larger deployment leadership. The ceiling would appear only when companies treat them as permanent exception handlers, moving from one bespoke proof of concept to another without giving them influence over the product.&#8221;</span></em></p></div><p><span>&#8220;What will hold good FDEs is agency, deeper domain ownership, a voice in the roadmap, and recognition for turning lessons from one client into capabilities that can benefit many,&#8221; Putatunda says. Turn that career map into explicit levels before recruiting the first team, with progression based on deployment complexity, reusable leverage, technical influence, and the ability to develop other engineers. But promotion should not depend on accepting more customers at once, because volume alone rewards the behavior that eventually damages quality and retention.</span></p><p><span>Compensation should recognize travel, incident responsibility, customer pressure, and the market value of engineers who can operate across technical and organizational boundaries. But autonomy, roadmap influence, recovery time, and movement into product or platform leadership will often determine whether strong people stay after the initial learning curve.</span></p><h2><span>A better hiring model starts with a narrower promise</span></h2><p><span>The FDE title may change as AI roles continue to evolve, but the operating gap will remain wherever a capable model meets a complicated customer environment. Companies still need engineers who can diagnose the real workflow, ship production software, guide adoption, and carry field evidence back into the product.</span></p><p><span>Engineering leaders should narrow the promise before expanding the headcount, because the role works when its outcome, customer scope, decision rights, technical bar, productization time, and career path are visible. That clarity produces better interviews, more honest offers, stronger deployments, and a healthier relationship between customer urgency and product quality.</span></p><p><span>And because the market is moving quickly, disciplined role design now creates an advantage that compensation alone cannot sustain. The companies that learn from every deployment will build stronger products, while the companies that celebrate individual heroics will keep paying for the same exception in different customer environments.</span></p><div><hr></div><p><strong>&#128227; Contribute to Deep Engineering</strong></p><p>If you lead a team, we would like to interview you and build an <a href="https://deepengineering.net/s/engineering-leadership">engineering leadership</a> feature around your story. If you are a senior engineer with something you have learned in production, pitch a <a href="https://deepengineering.net/s/practical-deep-dives">practical deep dive</a> under your byline.</p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Deep Engineering #59: Lieven De Cock on C++ Coroutines as a Build-It-Yourself Kit]]></title><description><![CDATA[The promise type, the coroutine handle, and why the boilerplate belongs in a library rather than your codebase]]></description><link>https://deepengineering.net/p/issue-59-cpp-coroutines-build-it-yourself-kit</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://deepengineering.net/p/issue-59-cpp-coroutines-build-it-yourself-kit</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Saqib Jan]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2026 16:47:12 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/9b6fba43-cd1f-4548-95dd-e184cbd152ad_1280x720.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a 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Writing up the meeting where C++26 was finished, Herb Sutter grouped coroutines with parallel STL, concepts and modules as features that &#8220;weren&#8217;t as massively impactful for all C++ developers as C++11&#8217;s features were.&#8221; Even with <a href="https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2024/p2300r10.html">std::execution</a> now in the standard, he warned, teams should expect to write their own adapter libraries before it connects to the async code they already have.</p><p>That is a fair description of what C++ has been doing for a decade. The language ships a primitive, the library layer follows a standard or two later, and in between teams either wait or build the missing piece themselves. We covered the same pattern in April with <a href="https://deepengineering.net/p/issue44-cpp-26-adoption-traps-compiler-gaps-maintainability">S&#225;ndor Darg&#243; on C++26 adoption traps and the compiler gap</a>. Coroutines are the clearest case, because C++20 shipped three keywords and C++23 shipped one library type to use them with.</p><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lieven-de-cock-94535a2/">Lieven De Cock</a>, a C++ consultant and trainer at <a href="https://cppdriven.com">CppDriven</a> with more than thirty years in the language, built three coroutines from scratch in his <a href="https://youtu.be/69GSXnCaa4o">Deep Engineering Live session</a> to show what that gap costs a team. His answer is not that coroutines are bad, but that the promise type, the handle and the iterator you write by hand are code your next reviewer will struggle to read, and that the real fix is std::generator, Boost.Asio, and whatever ships next.</p><p>Let&#8217;s get started.</p><div><hr></div><p style="text-align: center;"><strong>Featured Newsletter: <a href="https://newsletter.francofernando.com/">The Polymathic Engineer</a></strong></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://newsletter.francofernando.com/" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zm_t!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fec271d42-b038-432f-bef4-33c1759affbd_1208x962.png 424w, 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experience in C++ development, in different areas and different roles. I have been following the evolution of C++ closely, and at some point I changed the goal of my career to helping others tag along with that evolution. That is why I am now an independent consultant and coach, teaching not just the bare language and library but also the tooling and ecosystem around it, so teams can write more efficient and cleaner code. That is my mission for the rest of my career.</p><p>C++20 had the big four. Modules, ranges, concepts, and coroutines. There was a lot of fuss, and everybody had high expectations.</p><p>If we imagine coroutines as a nice book cabinet where you can store your books, that is what we were expecting. The reality is that in C++20 we got the build-it-yourself kit. That is one of the things a lot of people do not understand. Coroutines in C++20 are a language fundamental feature which allows you to build things, and that is also what we are going to do here. We are going to build up several coroutines, and we will see that we create a lot of boilerplate we would rather avoid.</p><p>How do we avoid that boilerplate in future? We use libraries that have support for coroutines. Boost.Asio, for example. We will look at a little example of that at the end.</p><p>So buckle up. We have some construction work to do.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1LyO!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F44126168-c968-440c-ad17-78277be5e4dc_4096x2731.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1LyO!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F44126168-c968-440c-ad17-78277be5e4dc_4096x2731.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1LyO!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F44126168-c968-440c-ad17-78277be5e4dc_4096x2731.png 848w, 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If you mention coroutines, people start anxiously jumping up and down saying yes, multithreading, asynchronous programming, that is what this is all about.</p><p>That is not true. Asynchronous work is one of the areas where coroutines shine, as we will see at the end. But it is just like an integer type, which also has nothing to do with multithreading, and which we still use in a multithreaded environment. Nearly all the examples here will be single threaded. Multithreading and asynchronous programming by themselves could take up another one or two sessions.</p><p>Before we go further, it is worth separating concurrency from parallelism, because the distinction is what makes coroutines interesting.</p><p>Picture a cook who is either chopping the carrot or stirring the pot. Chopping a bit, stirring a bit. That is concurrency. Both the chopping and the stirring make forward progress, but neither is happening at the same time. If we switch quickly enough between them, an observer might think both are progressing simultaneously, while they are not.</p><p>If, however, somebody is chopping and stirring at the very same time, a single person cannot do that. It would require a second cook, which is to say a second CPU, a second core. Then we have parallelism, where both are genuinely making progress at the same instant.</p><h3>Every generation of this problem has been solved by making the switch cheaper</h3><p>Let me go back in time, and this might tell my age.</p><p>In the mid eighties I got my first computer, a nice machine with big floppy disks, and I could run one program at a time. I inserted the floppy and started my word processing. It was not Microsoft Word back then, the king of the hill was WordPerfect. I would be editing text and get bored, and I would want to play a game. So I had to stop WordPerfect, insert another floppy disk, run Out Run, and go racing. Then when I had wasted enough time I stopped the game and started the word processor again. Nobody would call that concurrency. The swapping was far too slow to give any impression that both were progressing.</p><p>Then Windows came along, and by the mid nineties Windows 95. Now I was playing Pac-Man in one window, writing text in another, and the clock in the system tray was ticking the seconds away. It felt like everything was happening at once. It was the operating system switching the CPU between three processes, and PCs then were single core, so parallelism was not even possible. That was real concurrency, and switching between processes is something that in computer land takes a huge amount of time compared to running a single C++ statement. A completely different order of magnitude.</p><p>We had another problem in those days. If I filled in an input field, pressed calculate, and the calculation took a minute or two, then switched to my game and came back, I got a frozen GUI. The program had code to draw the interface, but the program was single threaded and the thread was doing the calculation.</p><p>That is what threads solved. Now the scheduler was not just handing the CPU to process one and then process two. It was handing the CPU to thread five of process one, then taking it away preemptively and giving it to thread one of process ten. Within my program I had a calculation thread and a GUI thread, and the GUI could refresh while the calculation continued. Switching between threads was much faster than switching between processes. But compared to a regular C++ statement, it is still extremely slow.</p><p>That is where coroutines come in. A coroutine runs a bit, then suspends, and something else can happen, maybe another coroutine, maybe the caller. That switch is of a completely different magnitude from a thread context switch. Way, way smaller. Way more efficient.</p><p>Coroutines are a collaboration. If a coroutine decides never to pause, it is not willingly giving up the CPU for anyone else, and you are back in the world where the scheduler eventually says you took enough time and takes the CPU away. But if it collaborates nicely, we get very quick switching between different pieces of the program.</p><h3>A coroutine is a function that can be paused and resumed, which turns out to mean it is an object</h3><p>What is a coroutine? It is a function that can be paused, suspended, and resumed. That is an absolutely correct definition. But what does it actually mean?</p><p>A regular function starts, does a job, and ends. It returns. With a coroutine you are saying that we start, and midway I want to pause, and later I want to continue where I left off. These are challenges we need to solve. The C++ coroutines ecosystem solves them, but it needs our help. That help is the part where we put the IKEA book cabinet together ourselves.</p><p>Here is the flow. Main is executing statements, and at some point it calls a coroutine. The coroutine starts, and at some point says it is going to suspend. We go back to the statement after the call, main continues, and then main resumes the coroutine. We pick up exactly where we left off, run more statements, suspend again, go back to main, and at some point the coroutine ends and hands control back completely.</p><p>Unless we put in effort for it to be otherwise, this is all on the same thread. By default the coroutine runs on the thread of the caller. It does not need to.</p><p>There is another way of looking at this. When we suspend, we do not have to return to our caller. We can go somewhere else entirely. That is the flow used in asynchronous environments, and we will come back to it.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!H9fr!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F31023b6f-9ca0-43cf-ae30-8236dc76fd2a_4096x2731.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!H9fr!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F31023b6f-9ca0-43cf-ae30-8236dc76fd2a_4096x2731.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!H9fr!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F31023b6f-9ca0-43cf-ae30-8236dc76fd2a_4096x2731.png 848w, 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fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">suspend and resume flow</figcaption></figure></div><p>So when is a function a coroutine? The moment one of three keywords appears in the function body. <code>co_return</code>, <code>co_yield</code>, or <code>co_await</code>. From that point the compiler knows this is a coroutine and does its magic, with the assistance of the programmer.</p><p>A quick note for later. <code>co_yield</code> you could read as here is a value to my caller, and then <code>co_await</code>. So <code>co_yield</code> is really here is the value, now I pause.</p><p>There are two sides to the story. There is the compiler-facing side, where the compiler recognizes the coroutine and needs information from us. And there is the user-facing side, where somebody uses that coroutine. We will fold these two angles together and meet somewhere in the middle.</p><h3>A radio station, and why a regular function does not cut it</h3><p>Let us build a first silly but educational example. We are going to create a radio station. We tell it what type of music we like and how many songs we want, and a radio station emerges that plays songs.</p><p>We ask the radio station to prepare a song. The DJ looks for the record, puts it on the turntable, and when it is done the radio station gives the song to us. Then it suspends. We listen to it, and afterwards we tell the coroutine to resume and put the next record on.</p><p>If we model this as a regular function, we pass in the style and the number of songs, we loop, and we play. The annoying thing is that the loop just continues. We get all the songs at once. If you are a DJ mixing, you might like that. If you want to listen, it is not a good user experience. So a regular function does not cut it.</p><p>What does it mean to model this as a coroutine? We create it, and that results in something. Different names exist in the literature. The coroutine interface, the coroutine API, the coroutine remote control, whatever you want to call it. After we create it, we get something we can interact with. Resume, for example. In our case that is please play the next song. Are there still songs to play, because if all the requested songs have been played it makes no sense to ask for another. Or maybe I am midway through song two and I realize I have to catch my train, and I want to stop.</p><p>We are professional programmers. Whatever we allocate, we want to deallocate. If we register, we unregister. If we create, we destruct.</p><p>That sounds like an object. You create it, it provides methods to interact with, and if you want to stop, the destructor takes care of it. So our function that can pause and resume is no longer just a simple function. It is an object. That is already a very interesting observation.</p><h3>The state cannot live on the stack, so the burden comes back</h3><p>This function has state. We pass in the type of music and the number of songs, and it needs those for the whole body. It gives us songs in a loop, so it needs to know which iteration it is on. When the coroutine is suspended, all of this needs to remain stored somewhere. It cannot be discarded, because resuming needs it.</p><p>Let us take a step back and look at what happens when we call a regular function. The caller puts the return address on the stack, so we know the next statement to execute when we come back. We put room on the stack for the return value. We put the arguments on the stack. We call the function, and its local variables go on the stack too. The stack keeps growing.</p><p>Then the function returns. It does not matter whether that is an early return, the closing brace, or an exception. Unwinding happens, everything is cleaned up, and the stack is back exactly as it was before the call.</p><p>Now imagine we want to resume after that has happened. We are in serious trouble, because we have learned there is state that needs to be preserved. So this state can no longer live on the stack, because it would all be gone.</p><p>If we cannot store it on the stack, what else do we have? The heap. Obvious choice. That is why C++ coroutines are called stackless. They store their state on the heap.</p><p>And we all know what using the heap means. We know we need to deallocate. That is the programmer&#8217;s responsibility. Not too early, and do not forget it.</p><p>A coroutine stores its state on the heap, and then it says, I have this coroutine frame here, dear developer, I want to give you a handle to it, and now it is up to you to free it at the correct time.</p><p>We were so used to smart pointers that we do not worry about this anymore. Well, ladies and gentlemen, this burden is back on our shoulders.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://deepengineering.net/i/210967376/the-state-cannot-live-on-the-stack-so-the-burden-comes-back&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Continue reading&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://deepengineering.net/i/210967376/the-state-cannot-live-on-the-stack-so-the-burden-comes-back"><span>Continue reading</span></a></p><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><strong>Continue reading </strong>for the promise type, the coroutine handle, the awaiter, and why Boost.Asio makes most of that boilerplate unnecessary.</p><p>You can also <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69GSXnCaa4o">watch the full session</a> here.</p></div><div><hr></div><h2><strong>In case you missed</strong></h2><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;d13e61c4-8cd4-4354-86ee-586b7392e395&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Three coroutines built from scratch, the boilerplate each one needs, and the library support that makes most of it unnecessary&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;md&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Building a C++ Coroutine by Hand, and Why You Probably Should Not&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:530885576,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Lieven de Cock&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/25891c04-bfb0-4b8d-a163-6eac6e66ebd0_144x144.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:true,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:null}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2026-08-12T23:15:02.985Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/e61a351c-625b-4116-bdb0-6c5791ded4e8_2400x1600.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://deepengineering.net/p/cpp-coroutines-promise-type-lieven-de-cock&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:&quot;Practical Deep-Dives&quot;,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:210967376,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:1,&quot;comment_count&quot;:0,&quot;publication_id&quot;:1729053,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Packt Deep Engineering&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!H5BJ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F736bc1ee-d689-497e-83a8-7d9bf9022eb9_600x600.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><div><hr></div><h2>&#128736;&#65039; 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Thank you for reading this issue of Deep Engineering.</p><p>We&#8217;ll be back next week with more expert-led content.</p><p>Keep building,</p><p>Saqib Jan</p><p>Editor-in-Chief, Deep Engineering</p><div><hr></div><p><em><span>If your company wants to reach senior developers, software engineers, and technical decision-makers, </span><a href="https://packt.omeclk.com/portal/wts/uc%5EcnN2dfNaqmD-kB-mo66%7C7g%5Ef%7Cb"><span>speak to us about partnering</span></a><span> with Deep Engineering.</span></em></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Building a C++ Coroutine by Hand, and Why You Probably Should Not]]></title><description><![CDATA[Lieven De Cock builds three C++20 coroutines from scratch, from the promise type and coroutine handle up to Boost.Asio, and explains why std::generator and library support should do most of this work for you.]]></description><link>https://deepengineering.net/p/cpp-coroutines-promise-type-lieven-de-cock</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://deepengineering.net/p/cpp-coroutines-promise-type-lieven-de-cock</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Lieven de Cock]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2026 23:15:02 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/e61a351c-625b-4116-bdb0-6c5791ded4e8_2400x1600.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>By <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lieven-de-cock-94535a2/">Lieven De Cock</a>, C++ consultant, coach and trainer at CppDriven. Contributor to Code::Blocks. | Edited by <a href="https://in.linkedin.com/in/s-jan">Saqib Jan</a> - Read the full editorial note on this write-up at the tail end.</em></p></blockquote><div class="file-embed-wrapper" data-component-name="FileToDOM"><div class="file-embed-container-reader"><div class="file-embed-container-top"><image class="file-embed-thumbnail" src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pn5o!,w_400,h_600,c_fill,f_auto,q_auto:best,fl_progressive:steep,g_auto/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F568b16c6-9ca6-4c88-9aca-e917bb3110f9_1920x1080.png"></image><div class="file-embed-details"><div class="file-embed-details-h1">Inside C++ Coroutines How They Really Work</div><div class="file-embed-details-h2">4.54MB &#8729; PDF file</div></div><a class="file-embed-button wide" href="https://deepengineering.net/api/v1/file/b9805b7a-63c6-4a4b-99e6-41905121f7aa.pdf"><span class="file-embed-button-text">Download</span></a></div><div class="file-embed-description">Lieven's slides from the session. The full recording is above if you would rather watch it.w</div><a class="file-embed-button narrow" href="https://deepengineering.net/api/v1/file/b9805b7a-63c6-4a4b-99e6-41905121f7aa.pdf"><span class="file-embed-button-text">Download</span></a></div></div><div id="youtube2-69GSXnCaa4o" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;69GSXnCaa4o&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/69GSXnCaa4o?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p>I have something like thirty plus years of experience in C++ development, in different areas and different roles. I have been following the evolution of C++ closely, and at some point I changed the goal of my career to helping others tag along with that evolution. That is why I am now an independent consultant and coach, teaching not just the bare language and library but also the tooling and ecosystem around it, so teams can write more efficient and cleaner code. That is my mission for the rest of my career.</p><p>C++20 had the big four. Modules, ranges, concepts, and coroutines. There was a lot of fuss, and everybody had high expectations.</p><p>If we imagine coroutines as a nice book cabinet where you can store your books, that is what we were expecting. The reality is that in C++20 we got the build-it-yourself kit. That is one of the things a lot of people do not understand. Coroutines in C++20 are a language fundamental feature which allows you to build things, and that is also what we are going to do here. We are going to build up several coroutines, and we will see that we create a lot of boilerplate we would rather avoid.</p><p>How do we avoid that boilerplate in future? We use libraries that have support for coroutines. Boost.Asio, for example. We will look at a little example of that at the end.</p><p>So buckle up. 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If you mention coroutines, people start anxiously jumping up and down saying yes, multithreading, asynchronous programming, that is what this is all about.</p><p>That is not true. Asynchronous work is one of the areas where coroutines shine, as we will see at the end. But it is just like an integer type, which also has nothing to do with multithreading, and which we still use in a multithreaded environment. Nearly all the examples here will be single threaded. Multithreading and asynchronous programming by themselves could take up another one or two sessions.</p><p>Before we go further, it is worth separating concurrency from parallelism, because the distinction is what makes coroutines interesting.</p><p>Picture a cook who is either chopping the carrot or stirring the pot. Chopping a bit, stirring a bit. That is concurrency. Both the chopping and the stirring make forward progress, but neither is happening at the same time. If we switch quickly enough between them, an observer might think both are progressing simultaneously, while they are not.</p><p>If, however, somebody is chopping and stirring at the very same time, a single person cannot do that. It would require a second cook, which is to say a second CPU, a second core. Then we have parallelism, where both are genuinely making progress at the same instant.</p><h3>Every generation of this problem has been solved by making the switch cheaper</h3><p>Let me go back in time, and this might tell my age.</p><p>In the mid eighties I got my first computer, a nice machine with big floppy disks, and I could run one program at a time. I inserted the floppy and started my word processing. It was not Microsoft Word back then, the king of the hill was WordPerfect. I would be editing text and get bored, and I would want to play a game. So I had to stop WordPerfect, insert another floppy disk, run Out Run, and go racing. Then when I had wasted enough time I stopped the game and started the word processor again. Nobody would call that concurrency. The swapping was far too slow to give any impression that both were progressing.</p><p>Then Windows came along, and by the mid nineties Windows 95. Now I was playing Pac-Man in one window, writing text in another, and the clock in the system tray was ticking the seconds away. It felt like everything was happening at once. It was the operating system switching the CPU between three processes, and PCs then were single core, so parallelism was not even possible. That was real concurrency, and switching between processes is something that in computer land takes a huge amount of time compared to running a single C++ statement. A completely different order of magnitude.</p><p>We had another problem in those days. If I filled in an input field, pressed calculate, and the calculation took a minute or two, then switched to my game and came back, I got a frozen GUI. The program had code to draw the interface, but the program was single threaded and the thread was doing the calculation.</p><p>That is what threads solved. Now the scheduler was not just handing the CPU to process one and then process two. It was handing the CPU to thread five of process one, then taking it away preemptively and giving it to thread one of process ten. Within my program I had a calculation thread and a GUI thread, and the GUI could refresh while the calculation continued. Switching between threads was much faster than switching between processes. But compared to a regular C++ statement, it is still extremely slow.</p><p>That is where coroutines come in. A coroutine runs a bit, then suspends, and something else can happen, maybe another coroutine, maybe the caller. That switch is of a completely different magnitude from a thread context switch. Way, way smaller. Way more efficient.</p><p>Coroutines are a collaboration. If a coroutine decides never to pause, it is not willingly giving up the CPU for anyone else, and you are back in the world where the scheduler eventually says you took enough time and takes the CPU away. But if it collaborates nicely, we get very quick switching between different pieces of the program.</p><h3>A coroutine is a function that can be paused and resumed, which turns out to mean it is an object</h3><p>What is a coroutine? It is a function that can be paused, suspended, and resumed. That is an absolutely correct definition. But what does it actually mean?</p><p>A regular function starts, does a job, and ends. It returns. With a coroutine you are saying that we start, and midway I want to pause, and later I want to continue where I left off. These are challenges we need to solve. The C++ coroutines ecosystem solves them, but it needs our help. That help is the part where we put the IKEA book cabinet together ourselves.</p><p>Here is the flow. Main is executing statements, and at some point it calls a coroutine. The coroutine starts, and at some point says it is going to suspend. We go back to the statement after the call, main continues, and then main resumes the coroutine. We pick up exactly where we left off, run more statements, suspend again, go back to main, and at some point the coroutine ends and hands control back completely.</p><p>Unless we put in effort for it to be otherwise, this is all on the same thread. By default the coroutine runs on the thread of the caller. It does not need to.</p><p>There is another way of looking at this. When we suspend, we do not have to return to our caller. We can go somewhere else entirely. That is the flow used in asynchronous environments, and we will come back to it.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!H9fr!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F31023b6f-9ca0-43cf-ae30-8236dc76fd2a_4096x2731.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!H9fr!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F31023b6f-9ca0-43cf-ae30-8236dc76fd2a_4096x2731.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!H9fr!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F31023b6f-9ca0-43cf-ae30-8236dc76fd2a_4096x2731.png 848w, 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when is a function a coroutine? The moment one of three keywords appears in the function body. <code>co_return</code>, <code>co_yield</code>, or <code>co_await</code>. From that point the compiler knows this is a coroutine and does its magic, with the assistance of the programmer.</p><p>A quick note for later. <code>co_yield</code> you could read as here is a value to my caller, and then <code>co_await</code>. So <code>co_yield</code> is really here is the value, now I pause.</p><p>There are two sides to the story. There is the compiler-facing side, where the compiler recognizes the coroutine and needs information from us. And there is the user-facing side, where somebody uses that coroutine. We will fold these two angles together and meet somewhere in the middle.</p><h3>A radio station, and why a regular function does not cut it</h3><p>Let us build a first silly but educational example. We are going to create a radio station. We tell it what type of music we like and how many songs we want, and a radio station emerges that plays songs.</p><p>We ask the radio station to prepare a song. The DJ looks for the record, puts it on the turntable, and when it is done the radio station gives the song to us. Then it suspends. We listen to it, and afterwards we tell the coroutine to resume and put the next record on.</p><p>If we model this as a regular function, we pass in the style and the number of songs, we loop, and we play. The annoying thing is that the loop just continues. We get all the songs at once. If you are a DJ mixing, you might like that. If you want to listen, it is not a good user experience. So a regular function does not cut it.</p><p>What does it mean to model this as a coroutine? We create it, and that results in something. Different names exist in the literature. The coroutine interface, the coroutine API, the coroutine remote control, whatever you want to call it. After we create it, we get something we can interact with. Resume, for example. In our case that is please play the next song. Are there still songs to play, because if all the requested songs have been played it makes no sense to ask for another. Or maybe I am midway through song two and I realize I have to catch my train, and I want to stop.</p><p>We are professional programmers. Whatever we allocate, we want to deallocate. If we register, we unregister. If we create, we destruct.</p><p>That sounds like an object. You create it, it provides methods to interact with, and if you want to stop, the destructor takes care of it. So our function that can pause and resume is no longer just a simple function. It is an object. That is already a very interesting observation.</p><h3>The state cannot live on the stack, so the burden comes back</h3><p>This function has state. We pass in the type of music and the number of songs, and it needs those for the whole body. It gives us songs in a loop, so it needs to know which iteration it is on. When the coroutine is suspended, all of this needs to remain stored somewhere. It cannot be discarded, because resuming needs it.</p><p>Let us take a step back and look at what happens when we call a regular function. The caller puts the return address on the stack, so we know the next statement to execute when we come back. We put room on the stack for the return value. We put the arguments on the stack. We call the function, and its local variables go on the stack too. The stack keeps growing.</p><p>Then the function returns. It does not matter whether that is an early return, the closing brace, or an exception. Unwinding happens, everything is cleaned up, and the stack is back exactly as it was before the call.</p><p>Now imagine we want to resume after that has happened. We are in serious trouble, because we have learned there is state that needs to be preserved. So this state can no longer live on the stack, because it would all be gone.</p><p>If we cannot store it on the stack, what else do we have? The heap. Obvious choice. That is why C++ coroutines are called stackless. They store their state on the heap.</p><p>And we all know what using the heap means. We know we need to deallocate. That is the programmer&#8217;s responsibility. Not too early, and do not forget it.</p><p>A coroutine stores its state on the heap, and then it says, I have this coroutine frame here, dear developer, I want to give you a handle to it, and now it is up to you to free it at the correct time.</p><p>We were so used to smart pointers that we do not worry about this anymore. Well, ladies and gentlemen, this burden is back on our shoulders.</p><p>It is possible for compilers in certain circumstances to eliminate the heap allocation. If they can see enough of what is happening and other conditions hold, they can put it on the stack instead. We are not going into that, it is too much detail. But sometimes you might need to go there, because you do not have a heap. That can happen.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WYxe!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9897b01c-2eb5-4f40-91ff-726188369326_4096x2731.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WYxe!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9897b01c-2eb5-4f40-91ff-726188369326_4096x2731.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WYxe!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9897b01c-2eb5-4f40-91ff-726188369326_4096x2731.png 848w, 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heap</figcaption></figure></div><h3>Writing the coroutine is easy, and then the work starts</h3><p>Here is our radio station as a coroutine.</p><pre><code><code>RadioStation radioStation(int style, int songs)
{
  for (int i = 0; i &lt; songs; ++i)
  {
     const auto idx = i % Songs;
     co_yield( style ? electronic[idx] : rap[idx] );
  }
}</code></code></pre><p>Spot the two differences from the regular version. We use <code>co_yield</code> instead of printing. And the return value is a <code>RadioStation</code>, that coroutine object.</p><p>There is something interesting to notice. You are telling me it returns a <code>RadioStation</code>, so why is there no return statement? There is a closing brace and we are not returning anything, so we return void. Which is it?</p><p>The answer is both. A function used to return one thing. Coroutines actually return two things. They return that coroutine object, and they can return a value. In our case the radio station returns nothing at the end. It returns void.</p><p>Now, from the user&#8217;s perspective. We are going to create the radio station, so it needs a constructor, and indirectly, because the compiler calls it for us. We will call the destructor, because the object is in our scope. We want to ask whether we are done. We want to ask for the next song.</p><p>And there is one more question. When the radio station emerges, does it immediately start playing? Or is creating it just getting the DJ into the booth with his records, sitting ready for the first request? In the second case the coroutine is lazy. In the first it is eager. The compiler needs to know which, and it cannot guess. We have to tell it.</p><h3>The promise type is where the compiler asks its questions</h3><p>The compiler wants answers from us. Do we suspend at startup? Symmetry being a good thing, do we suspend at the end? If an exception escapes the body uncaught, what should happen? And how exactly do I create that return object?</p><p>These questions are answered through a concept called the promise type. This has nothing to do with <code>std::promise</code> from <code>std::async</code>. It is a C++20 concept defining a range of methods, and depending on what your coroutine does, some of them need to be implemented as members of the promise type, which is just a class or a struct.</p><p><code>initial_suspend</code> takes no arguments. Return <code>std::suspend_always{}</code> for lazy, <code>std::suspend_never{}</code> for eager. We chose lazy.</p><p><code>final_suspend</code> is the same shape and must be <code>noexcept</code>. Most of the time you want to suspend at the end. There are situations where you do not, and you will see later why suspending matters for our examples.</p><p><code>unhandled_exception</code> takes no arguments and returns void, and it is the fallback if an exception escapes. Over to you, the compiler says, you solve this problem we have. Let us take the easy route and terminate. In production code you probably want something more sane.</p><p>When the closing brace is hit, if the coroutine returns void the compiler calls <code>return_void</code>. If it returns a value, it calls <code>return_value</code> taking that type. We return void, so it is easy to implement. Open brace, close brace.</p><p>Do we need to write this for every coroutine that returns nothing? Yes. Again and again. If you want a lot of coroutines, you have a lot of boilerplate. At least it is not hard.</p><p>Then there is the value we are generating. <code>co_yield</code> produces a song, and the compiler asks where to put it. It wants to store it in the promise type. So if we yield a value of type T, we implement <code>yield_value</code> taking a const reference. Until now the promise type had no state. Now it needs some.</p><pre><code><code>auto initial_suspend()
{
    return std::suspend_always{};
}

void unhandled_exception()
{
    std::terminate();
}

auto final_suspend() noexcept
{
    return std::suspend_always{};
}

void return_void() {}

auto yield_value(const std::string&amp; valueIn)
{
    value = valueIn;
    return std::suspend_always{};
}

std::string value;</code></code></pre><p>Notice <code>yield_value</code> stores the value and then returns <code>suspend_always</code>. Remember, <code>co_yield</code> is here is the value, and then <code>co_await</code>. That <code>suspend_always</code> is what the <code>co_await</code> part is doing.</p><p>This still fits on one slide. The font has decreased a little, but it is rather trivial. This is not rocket science.</p><h3>The handle is how we reach into the frame</h3><p>One piece of the puzzle is still missing, <code>get_return_object</code>, and to understand it we need the hierarchy.</p><p>The coroutine frame lives on the heap. A lot of things live in it. The arguments, so which music and how many songs. The loop index, so where we are. And the promise type, because the promise type has state.</p><p>We need access to this frame, because at some point we have to destroy it. So we create a handle to it. You could call it a smart handle, that is probably the best way to look at it. The handle is templated on the promise type, and it provides methods that make sense for a smart handle. Resume. Destroy. Are you done. Is there still a handle, because if the handle has been destroyed it will be false. And because the promise type lives in the frame that the handle points at, we can ask the handle for access to the promise.</p><p>The return object, our <code>RadioStation</code>, gets the handle at construction time. So the constructor of <code>RadioStation</code> takes a handle, and the compiler passes it in.</p><pre><code><code>class [[nodiscard]] RadioStation
{
public:
    struct promise_type;
    using CoroHandle = std::coroutine_handle&lt;promise_type&gt;;

    RadioStation(auto handle) : mHandle{handle}
    {
    }

    ~RadioStation()
    {
        if (mHandle)
        {
            mHandle.destroy();
        }
    }

    bool nextSong() const
    {
        if (!mHandle || mHandle.done())
        {
            return false; // we are done
        }
        mHandle.resume();
        return !mHandle.done();
    }

    std::string value() const
    {
        return mHandle.promise().value;
    }

private:
    CoroHandle mHandle;
};</code></code></pre><p><code>nextSong</code> is our resume. We can only resume if there is a handle and we are not done, otherwise we return false and there is no next song, stop calling us. If we can, we tell the handle to resume. That resumption might be the one that moves us from the final suspend to really done, which is why we check again afterwards.</p><p><code>value</code> fetches the song. The compiler called <code>yield_value</code> in the promise type, which stored the string in its state. We have the handle, we ask the handle for the promise, and we read the member. That is how the song gets out of the coroutine and into user code.</p><p>For <code>get_return_object</code>, the compiler calls it and we need to produce the return object. There is a factory method on the coroutine handle, <code>from_promise</code>, and we pass in ourselves. So <code>get_return_object</code> lives in the promise type, creates the handle from the promise, and calls the <code>RadioStation</code> constructor with it.</p><p>And we forbid copying. How do you copy a handle? I am not even sure. I did not try it out, so I need to be honest, I do not know the answer. Moving might make sense, if you were managing several radio stations in a container. 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loop works, and then we want a range-based for</h3><p>We have implemented our first coroutine. Writing the coroutine was one slide. The using code was one slide. The boilerplate was two more.</p><p>But look at the using code. It is a while loop. We do not want while loops. A coroutine generating things is a range. In our case it ends after seven songs. It could be infinite. One of the poster children of coroutines is a Fibonacci generator, which never ends.</p><p>So we would like a range-based for, which gives us the value directly without calling <code>value()</code> and <code>nextSong()</code> separately. I think we can agree that is much nicer code.</p><p>For that we need an iterator, and there is none. More boilerplate.</p><p>A range-based for needs <code>begin</code> and <code>end</code>. The iterator needs to be incrementable, dereferenceable, and comparable, either with another iterator of the same type or with a sentinel since C++20. Dereferencing means give us the yielded value. Incrementing means resume.</p><p>The iterator needs the handle, so we pass it at construction. And since the handle is a kind of pointer, the end iterator is simply the iterator holding a null pointer. <code>operator++</code> resumes the handle, then checks whether we are done, and if so sets its handle to null so it compares equal to end. For comparison we do not even need to write it, since C++20 gives us <code>= default</code>.</p><p><code>end</code> is trivial, an iterator with a null pointer. <code>begin</code> returns an iterator with a null pointer if there is no handle or it is already done, so begin immediately equals end. Otherwise it takes the handle, resumes once, and returns.</p><h3>Most of this belongs in a library, not in your code</h3><p>So what can we conclude? The coroutine function itself was easy. The user code was easy. The boilerplate, the <code>RadioStation</code> class and the promise type, was not hard either. It is annoying that we have to do it, and if I write another coroutine I have to do it again.</p><p>The question is whether this is production ready.</p><p>That is the discussion around C++20, and many people agree the answer is no. Everybody reading this is now an expert, we have seen how it works. But if you write such a coroutine with the boilerplate, will your colleague tomorrow, looking at that code in a review, be able to understand it without proper training?</p><p>That is why people say C++20 coroutines are a language feature which is a building block for others to build upon. You could reasonably say, I do not want to write coroutines. I want to use libraries that have implemented coroutines and which make my life easier.</p><p>We were promised library support in C++23. We got something. Unfortunately, only one thing.</p><p>What we implemented was a generator of strings. So with <code>std::generator</code>, our radio station is nothing more than a <code>std::generator&lt;std::string&gt;</code>, the coroutine body stays exactly as it was, and we are done. We have been talking for nearly an hour to implement a coroutine, and in C++23 it boils down to one slide.</p><p>In case what you are doing is a generator.</p><h3>A pinball machine, when you are not generating anything</h3><p>Let us do an example that is not a generator. A pinball machine, with two players, me and the coroutine. We take turns. When either of us plays a ball we are not producing any value, we just do our thing and pause. Over to you.</p><p>We do not want to return anything but we do want to pause, so we use <code>co_await</code>. Remember <code>co_yield</code> is here is the value and then <code>co_await</code>. Here we just want the pause, so <code>co_await std::suspend_always{}</code>.</p><p>Writing the coroutine is very easy. It takes how many turns, it loops, it awaits. The using code is a while loop again, as long as the machine is playing, it plays, then I play.</p><p>The promise type goes quicker this time, because we have experience. We are not yielding anything, so no <code>yield_value</code> at all. Everything else is the same as before. The <code>Pinball</code> class is the same shape as <code>RadioStation</code> without the value fetch, because nothing is yielded.</p><p>Is there something like <code>std::generator</code> for a coroutine that only awaits, in C++23? No. So if this is your use case, boilerplate time.</p><p>Now, a stroke of genius or a stroke of stupidity, somewhere in the middle. Let us cheat the system. Maybe playing pinball is a generator of integers. Let us yield zero every time and ignore it.</p><p>cpp</p><pre><code><code>using Pinball = std::generator&lt;int&gt;;

Pinball pinball(int turns)
{
    for (int i = 0; i &lt; turns; ++i)
    {
        std::cout &lt;&lt; "     Your turn to play.\n";
        co_yield 0;
    }
    std::cout &lt;&lt; "       You loose.\n";
}

int main()
{
    auto pball = pinball(4);
    for (const auto&amp; turn : pinball)
    {
        (void)turn;
        std::cout &lt;&lt; "My turn to play.\n";
    }
    std::cout &lt;&lt; "I win.\n";
    return 0;
}</code></code></pre><p>We have implemented the pinball machine with <code>std::generator</code>. Is this stupidity? Is this genius? I do not know. It is a way out where you generate an int nobody cares about, but you can use the standard type. Your decision.</p><h3>Doing work in chunks, and co_return</h3><p>Third example, and the third keyword. A coroutine that does work in chunks. Say we are calculating an average over a very large set of values, and doing it in one go would take unacceptably long. So when we call the coroutine it adds a few inputs, we resume, it adds a few more, and on the final resumption it divides by the number of elements and <code>co_return</code>s the average.</p><p>That is the collaboration. I know I have a lot of work to do, but I will do it in little bits and pause so that someone else can also do some work, and I am not monopolizing whatever resource.</p><p>Where does the returned value get stored? The same place as before, the promise type. So we implement <code>return_value</code> instead of <code>return_void</code>, the promise type gets state again, and our <code>Average</code> class gets a <code>getResult</code> method that reaches through the handle into the promise.</p><p>The coroutine is a for loop adding one entry per iteration with a <code>co_await</code> between, then a <code>co_return</code> of the average. Again no rocket science.</p><p>And again, is there a <code>std::generator</code> for this? No. And again, we can cheat. We can make it a generator of <code>std::optional&lt;int&gt;</code>, yielding an empty optional each time round the loop and yielding the filled one containing the average at the end. The user code loops until the range ends, and prints when the optional is not empty. Normally it should be the last iteration, otherwise we have a bug.</p><h3>Awaiters are the second configuration point</h3><p>The promise type configures the coroutine towards the compiler. There is a second concept that configures coroutines, and that is the awaitable. Awaitables are the operand of <code>co_await</code>, and an awaiter is a specific way to implement one. It comes into play whenever <code>co_await</code> or <code>co_yield</code> is used.</p><p>An awaiter has three methods. If your struct has these three, it is an awaiter and it can be the operand of <code>co_await</code>. It can have a zillion other methods too, that does not matter.</p><p><code>await_ready</code> is called just before the suspension happens, while the coroutine is still active. It returns a boolean, and if it returns true the coroutine does not suspend. Typically you return false, because suspending was the intention. But changing your mind becomes useful in the asynchronous world. <code>co_await</code> on something, and the question is whether that something is ready. A socket, I would like to read some data. Oh, I have data already, here it is, no need to suspend. Or, I do not have data yet, I will launch an asynchronous read, so go ahead and suspend.</p><p><code>await_suspend</code> is called immediately after the coroutine suspends, but before control returns to the caller. It receives the handle of the coroutine that has just been suspended, and that is very important. From here we can change our mind again and not suspend, we can suspend and let the flow go back to the caller, or we can suspend and go somewhere else entirely.</p><p><code>await_resume</code> is called when the coroutine is resumed, and it can return a value. That is the value the <code>co_await</code> or <code>co_yield</code> expression evaluates to. It does not have to return anything, which is why we write <code>auto</code>.</p><p>We already know two awaiters. <code>std::suspend_always</code> and <code>std::suspend_never</code>. In both, <code>await_suspend</code> and <code>await_resume</code> are empty. The only difference is <code>await_ready</code>. Suspend always means I really want to suspend, so it returns false. Suspend never says, suspending, are you crazy, I am ready, and returns true.</p><h3>Getting a value back into the coroutine</h3><p>Here is a use for a custom awaiter. Until now information flowed from the coroutine to the caller. We get a song. But what if we want to resume the coroutine and say, I have some information for you, take it into account. In our silly example, we give the song we just heard a score, and the coroutine prints it out.</p><p>The score goes in through the promise type. We add a <code>score</code> method to <code>RadioStation</code> that reaches through the handle and stores it in a new promise member. The calling code is easy, we like all songs and give them ten out of ten. The coroutine side is easy too, <code>co_yield</code> returns something, we store it in a local variable and print it.</p><p>The hard part is how the <code>co_yield</code> expression produces that value, and <code>suspend_always</code> is not going to cut it. That is where the custom awaiter comes in. Instead of returning <code>suspend_always</code> from <code>yield_value</code>, we return our own awaiter templated on the handle type.</p><p>Our awaiter holds a handle, null at construction. <code>await_ready</code> returns false, we do want to suspend. <code>await_resume</code> asks the handle for the promise, reads the score, and returns it, which is what makes the <code>co_yield</code> expression evaluate to the score.</p><p>But how does the awaiter get the handle? <code>await_suspend</code>. It is called just after suspension and it receives the handle of the coroutine that was just suspended. That is exactly the handle we want, so we store it. Then we return void, because we are not changing our mind. On resumption, <code>await_resume</code> runs, we have the handle, and our plan worked.</p><h3>A coroutine calling another coroutine</h3><p>Now the case somebody asked about during the session. An outer coroutine calling an inner one, where from the outside the caller cannot tell which of them suspended. That is an implementation detail of the outer coroutine.</p><p>Calling the inner coroutine directly does not work, because it returns its coroutine object which we do not store, so it dies on the same line. Looping over the inner coroutine inside the outer one does not work either, because then the outer coroutine does everything at once from its caller&#8217;s perspective, which is not what we wanted.</p><p>Awaitables solve this. If the outer coroutine&#8217;s promise type could store the handle of the inner coroutine, then resume becomes simple. Am I done? If so everything is done. If not, the handle I resume is my own by default, unless there is a sub-handle that is not done, in which case I resume that one instead. The last check still returns whether my own handle is done, because after the sub coroutine finishes the outer coroutine still has its own work.</p><p>So the whole problem is getting the inner handle into the outer coroutine. And this is where it clicks. If the inner coroutine&#8217;s object is itself an awaitable, then when the outer coroutine says <code>co_await innerCoroutine</code>, the inner awaitable&#8217;s <code>await_suspend</code> is called with the handle of the coroutine that just suspended, which is the outer one. So the inner coroutine now has the outer coroutine&#8217;s handle, can ask it for its promise, and can store its own handle there.</p><p><code>await_suspend</code> has three possible return types. Void, meaning we are not changing our mind and we continue suspending, thank you for the handle. Bool, where true continues the suspension and false cancels it. Or another coroutine handle, and in that case we are not going back to our caller at all. That is the coroutine we are going to resume. That is how you chain coroutines one after another, and it is called symmetric transfer. An interesting use is at the final suspend. This coroutine is finished, what is the next thing to do? Start the next task.</p><p>We are running out of time, so we will not go deeper there.</p><h3>Where coroutines actually shine</h3><p>Now the asynchronous world. When you launch an asynchronous operation with Boost.Asio you pass in a completion handler, which is also a form of continuation. I do an async read on a socket, and when the bytes arrive, please call my read handler.</p><p>That is one of the drawbacks. Say we want an echo server. We accept, then we async read until the whole message has arrived, and then the read handler is called. Suddenly we are in a completely different part of the code, where we write those bytes back on the socket. Then the write handler says I want to async read again to see if there are more messages. So we are jumping around in the code base wondering where the flow is going.</p><p>If it were synchronous it would be connect, and wait. Read, and wait. Write, and wait. The benefit was a very easy recipe to follow. Connect, read, write, loop. Of course it does not perform, because we cannot serve anyone else.</p><p>This is where coroutines shine. Code that got spread all over the place with completion handlers suddenly looks like synchronous code again. Connect, loop, read, write, done.</p><p>C++20 brings the fundamental building blocks, and typically they are not for mere mortals. They are for library vendors, and Boost writes that boilerplate for us. In a Boost.Asio echo server, the coroutine does not return a <code>RadioStation</code> or a <code>Pinball</code> or an <code>std::generator</code>. It returns a <code>boost::asio::awaitable&lt;void&gt;</code>. We <code>co_await</code> on <code>async_accept</code> with <code>use_awaitable</code> instead of a completion handler, and Asio knows we are working in the coroutine ecosystem. The line suspends, and when a connection arrives it resumes and the line returns. Then we loop, <code>co_await async_read_some</code>, check the error, <code>co_await async_write</code>.</p><p>Now to the multithreading question. Assume multiple threads are calling <code>context.run()</code>, so we have a thread pool helping process the work posted on that IO context. The asynchronous operation may well happen on a completely different thread from the one this coroutine was running on, or is suspended on, or will be resumed on.</p><p>This is not a problem, and it is worth seeing why. The buffer is a local variable. Either we are suspended waiting for bytes, in which case we are not touching the buffer, or the async read has returned and is no longer touching it, and we read it out. Then we call async write and suspend again, so we stop touching it. Only one party is ever working with that buffer, and it is the only one who can be.</p><p>So we did not need any mutexes. That is one of the reasons coroutines are such lightweight things in this kind of scenario. We are in the asynchronous world, our code looks linear again, and context switching is cheap.</p><p>Imagine having to implement all of that yourself. You would learn a great deal about networking and threading and what you can do inside coroutines. But as a mere mortal, I do not want to know. I want to use coroutines. I write this little coroutine and the library vendor does the heavy lifting for me.</p><h3>Why it is called co_await</h3><p>One last thing.</p><p>In all our generator examples the coroutine stopped and went back to main, and we always looked at it from main&#8217;s side. Main calls the coroutine and blocks until the coroutine says, I have a song for you, and suspends. So you could say main was waiting.</p><p>But look at it from inside the coroutine. The coroutine suspends, and the coroutine is waiting. It is waiting until somebody resumes it. It is <code>co_await</code>ing. Come on, please resume me.</p><p>The same in the asynchronous world. From inside the coroutine, on that accept line, I am waiting for a connection to occur. I am waiting. Please, somebody resume me.</p><p>That is why it is called <code>co_await</code>. And that is why there are papers arguing let us <code>co_await</code> everything. You can look at it from the caller&#8217;s side, but you can also look at it from the inside. I am the coroutine, and I am waiting until somebody finally resumes me.</p><p>That is all I wanted to share.</p><h3>Session notes</h3><p>A few things I flagged as out of scope on the day and did not cover here. Avoiding the heap allocation is possible in certain circumstances but it is detailed work. Custom allocators are possible by overloading <code>operator new</code> in the promise type, which I confirmed after the session. Symmetric transfer deserves more room than we had.</p><p>On copying a coroutine object, my advice is do not go there. Moving may make sense if you are managing several in a container. If you do go there, you have homework to do to make sure it happens correctly.</p><p>On mutexes, I am not saying they are out of the question, it depends on how much state ends up shared. But if you have a use case where you still need one, check whether your design can avoid it first. If it cannot, solve it as you did before.</p><p>If you have further questions you can reach me on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lieven-de-cock-94535a2/">LinkedIn</a> and I will be happy to help.</p><div><hr></div><div class="file-embed-wrapper" data-component-name="FileToDOM"><div class="file-embed-container-reader"><div class="file-embed-container-top"><image class="file-embed-thumbnail-default" src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0Cy0!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack.com%2Fimg%2Fattachment_icon.svg"></image><div class="file-embed-details"><div class="file-embed-details-h1">Inside C++ Coroutines How They Really Work</div><div class="file-embed-details-h2">4.54MB &#8729; PDF file</div></div><a class="file-embed-button wide" href="https://deepengineering.net/api/v1/file/85dff382-03ea-45ac-854e-eb5e7235c77b.pdf"><span class="file-embed-button-text">Download</span></a></div><a class="file-embed-button narrow" href="https://deepengineering.net/api/v1/file/85dff382-03ea-45ac-854e-eb5e7235c77b.pdf"><span class="file-embed-button-text">Download</span></a></div></div><p><em>This deep dive is adapted from Lieven De Cock&#8217;s Deep Engineering Live session, Inside C++ Coroutines, How They Really Work.</em></p><blockquote><p><strong>How this deep dive was edited</strong></p><p>Lieven&#8217;s session ran two and a half hours and built three complete coroutines from scratch across 110 slides. This piece is edited from the session transcript and stays in his own words throughout. The spoken delivery has been tightened for reading, the three worked examples compressed to their decisive moments, and roughly forty code slides reduced to the three that carry the most weight. Nothing has been added that he did not say on the day.</p><p>Topics he flagged as out of scope during the session, including heap elision, custom allocators and the full detail of symmetric transfer, remain out of scope here. Two diagrams in his deck use images credited to Nicolai Josuttis and Hana Dus&#237;kov&#225;, so the illustrations in this piece are original rather than reproductions.</p><p>The complete deck and the full recording are above, and both are worth your time if you want the parts that did not fit.</p></blockquote>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Deep Engineering #58: Sebastian Hassinger on Where Quantum Progress is Real]]></title><description><![CDATA[On why qubit counts measure register size rather than capability, what code distance reveals that a headline number hides, and where quantum computing delivers first.]]></description><link>https://deepengineering.net/p/issue-58-sebastian-hassinger-qubit-counts</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://deepengineering.net/p/issue-58-sebastian-hassinger-qubit-counts</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Saqib Jan]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2026 15:45:37 GMT</pubDate><enclosure 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fault-tolerant machine of one million qubits. The <a href="https://group.ntt/en/newsrelease/2026/08/03/260803a.html">announcement from NTT</a> lays out a phased roadmap. The companies aim to complete the system architecture and key component technologies by fiscal 2027 alongside a practical 10,000 qubit system, then begin verification work in fiscal 2028 and deliver a platform for running optical and classical machines together the year after.</p><p>One million is the largest number the field has yet attached to a headline, and it arrives in a year when the reported metric already shifted once. Through the first half of 2026 vendors moved from physical qubit counts to logical qubit counts as the figure worth announcing. Both are real results, and both leave out the properties that decide what a machine can actually compute, which is where this issue picks up.</p><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/shassinger">Sebastian Hassinger</a> has read claims like these from inside the companies making them, first on the <a href="https://www.ibm.com/quantum">IBM Quantum team</a> and later leading go to market for <a href="https://aws.amazon.com/braket/">AWS Quantum Technologies</a>. He wrote <a href="https://www.packtpub.com/en-us/product/the-new-quantum-era-9781807787370">The New Quantum Era</a> for readers without a physics background, and today he walks us through which numbers carry the information and which ones do not.</p><blockquote><p>You can watch the full session or read the <a href="https://deepengineering.net/p/quantum-computing-beyond-the-hype-sebastian-hassinger">transcript here</a>.</p></blockquote><p><strong>Let&#8217;s get started.</strong> </p><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><h2 style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://www.vpdae.com/redirect/o2rdxoqtpm0p1but31d2wk9ffrb"><span data-color="#f97141" style="color: rgb(249, 113, 65);">Agent-written TLA+</span></a></h2><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://www.vpdae.com/redirect/o2rdxoqtpm0p1but31d2wk9ffrb" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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The model checker explored <strong>14.3M</strong> states and caught a real race.</p><p style="text-align: center;"></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.vpdae.com/redirect/o2rdxoqtpm0p1but31d2wk9ffrb&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Read the write-up&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.vpdae.com/redirect/o2rdxoqtpm0p1but31d2wk9ffrb"><span>Read the write-up</span></a></p><p style="text-align: center;"></p></div><div><hr></div><p><strong>Expert Insight</strong></p><h2><span>Qubit Count Measures Register Size, Not Capability</span></h2><p><em>by <span class="mention-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Saqib Jan&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:427210082,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;user&quot;,&quot;url&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/997a788a-cd78-4f84-9b3b-c72ab6dc0153_1008x1008.jpeg&quot;,&quot;uuid&quot;:&quot;e7195419-ea93-4f2b-84d4-a7959d36a209&quot;}" data-component-name="MentionToDOM"></span> with <span class="mention-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Sebastian Hassinger&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:535827458,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;user&quot;,&quot;url&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/4a70390e-d1ad-4e61-8e13-23bc47b2a921_144x144.png&quot;,&quot;uuid&quot;:&quot;514aa520-1a03-4ba0-9100-b5edc23133a9&quot;}" data-component-name="MentionToDOM"></span> </em></p><p><span>Three logical qubit results landed in the first half of 2026, and in each one the number worth reading is not the number in the headline. QuEra published 96 logical qubits encoded across 448 neutral atoms, a ratio near five to one. Quantinuum reported 48 logical qubits drawn from 98 trapped ions, closer to two to one. IBM&#8217;s published</span><a href="https://www.ibm.com/quantum/blog/large-scale-ftqc"><span> fault tolerance roadmap</span></a><span> targets 200 logical qubits from roughly 10,000 physical ones by 2029, a ratio near fifty to one.</span></p><p><span>Those ratios differ by an order of magnitude because the underlying codes differ, and the choice of code decides whether a logical qubit corrects errors or only detects them. A count reported on its own collapses all of that into a single integer, which is why the integer tells you very little about what the machine computes.</span></p><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/shassinger">Sebastian Hassinger</a> worked on the <strong>IBM Quantum team</strong> and later led go to market for <strong>AWS Quantum Technologies</strong>, and he wrote<span> </span><a href="https://www.packtpub.com/en-us/product/the-new-quantum-era-9781807787370">The New Quantum Era</a> <span>to give engineers without a physics background enough grounding to read results like these directly. During our interview when I asked him what actually carries information in a milestone result, he began by taking apart the metric the field has reported for a decade. &#8220;Qubit count is effectively the register size of that computer,&#8221; he said. Then came the harder line, aimed at a claim the field now repeats freely. &#8220;Anytime you hear somebody saying quantum computing is just a matter of engineering now, be suspicious of that person&#8217;s claims.&#8221;</span></p><h3><span>Register size bounds information, not computation</span></h3><p><span>The clearest demonstration that a raw count says little about capability comes from IBM&#8217;s own hardware history. And Hassinger was there for it. The technical roadmap produced a chip called Condor at just over a thousand qubits, which he describes as genuinely valuable for the research and fabrication effort it took to build. But it saw little use. Connectivity between qubits on the chip was low and the noise proved very difficult to manage, so researchers went back to the smaller machines in the 127 to 133 qubit range, which were more capable in practice.</span></p><p><span>The reason is architectural rather than numerical. Register size sets an upper bound on how much information you can load, and nothing beyond that. Hassinger points out that QuEra&#8217;s 256 qubit Aquila holds 256 bits at a time, which sounds unremarkable until you entangle those qubits and produce a state vector of two to the 256, a computational space you cannot physically recreate on classical hardware. The capability lives in the entanglement structure and in how well the problem maps onto it, so a machine with more qubits and worse connectivity computes less than a smaller machine with better ones.</span></p><p><span>That same logic now applies one level up. A logical qubit is an encoding, not a unit, and its value depends on the code family, the physical to logical ratio, and the error model the code assumes. Codes at distance two detect errors without correcting them, which is a different guarantee from correction, and the difference produced considerable argument when Microsoft and Quantinuum reported reliable logical qubits in 2024 using error detection with post-selection. Two systems reporting the same logical qubit count can therefore be doing categorically different things.</span></p><h3><span>Code distance carries the information a count discards</span></h3><p><span>Hassinger&#8217;s proposed substitute is quite specific, and it happens to be exactly the property that separates those cases. Fidelity and noise are what matter, he reasons, particularly the fidelity of one and two qubit gates, where two qubit operations mean entanglement. Those figures are hard to extract from a published result, so he offers a proxy that survives summarization.</span></p><p><span>Read the resilience of the error correction code, expressed as a </span><strong><span>distance or a d value</span></strong><span>. That is roughly how many errors the system absorbs before the encoded information collapses and the computation is lost, so a higher distance means a more resilient machine. He points to the Willow experiment as the useful reference, roughly a hundred physical qubits arranged in a surface code presenting as one logical qubit at distance seven. That snapshot carries what you need without the underlying gate fidelities, because the only two questions that determine what you can run are &#8220;how many logical qubits do I get, and how resilient is that error correction.&#8221;</span></p><p><span>Pair a logical qubit count with its code, its distance, and its encoding ratio and you have something you can reason about. Take the count alone and you have an integer that happens to increase.</span></p><h3><span>Speculation hardens into certainty before it reaches you</span></h3><p><span>There is a structural reason the public record runs ahead of the results, and it operates on the way from the lab to the summary rather than inside the science. Hassinger named the pressure that drives it, and he was unusually direct about where the gap opens.</span></p><p><span>&#8220;Since at least the beginning of the Q2B conferences put on by QCWare, there has been a recurring chorus demanding to know what are quantum computing&#8217;s use cases, how will it be useful for enterprises,&#8221; he told us. &#8220;Marketing can be tempted to take speculative ideas and present them as certainties, stretching the truth about a scientist&#8217;s speculation to reframe it as definitive. The other question is always when, so timelines are also something that marketing can take liberties with.&#8221;</span></p><p><span>Both distortions are directional, which makes them correctable. A researcher&#8217;s conditional loses its condition, and a scientific dependency acquires a date. Reading a result back through those two transformations usually recovers something close to the original claim.</span></p><h3><span>Roadmaps model engineering determinism onto unsolved physics</span></h3><p><span>The deeper issue Hassinger identifies is a category problem. A roadmap projects milestones one year out, three years, five years, and he is blunt about what kind of document that is. &#8220;That&#8217;s an engineering document,&#8221; he says, &#8220;and engineering is much more deterministic than the underlying scientific breakthroughs that are required to enable the engineering to deliver those milestones.&#8221;</span></p><p><span>Transduction is the concrete case. Superconducting qubits operate inside a dilution refrigerator near absolute zero, and a refrigerator has finite volume, so scaling past one fridge means entangling qubits across separate cryostats. That requires converting the quantum state to a photonic frequency used in telecom, carrying it over fiber as what the field calls flying qubits, then converting back at the far end. None of the known conversion methods delivers the fidelity a reliable device needs, and nobody yet knows what closing that gap requires. &#8220;It&#8217;s not just hard work,&#8221; he says of that class of problem. &#8220;It&#8217;s a lot of hard work, but it&#8217;s also luck, because we don&#8217;t know what we don&#8217;t know.&#8221;</span></p><p><span>This is the reason he treats specifications and milestone dates as the least informative part of any hardware program, and the unsolved science underneath as the part that determines whether the dates mean anything. It is also why his sharpest formulation of the field&#8217;s position lands where it does. &#8220;A qubit is a very interesting device with no intrinsic commercial value,&#8221; he says, and converting it into something useful still depends on physics nobody has finished.</span></p><h3><span>Classical simulability is the only threshold that changes anything</span></h3><p><span>Hassinger&#8217;s position does not end in skepticism, because the field is converging on one measurable target regardless of which architecture reaches it. &#8220;The consensus is we need to deliver fault tolerant logical qubits at a scale that is not simulatable by a classical computer,&#8221; he says. &#8220;That&#8217;s the North Star we&#8217;re all sailing towards.&#8221; Once a system passes the point where your laptop or your GPU cluster can reproduce its output, running it on quantum hardware becomes necessary rather than interesting, and nothing before that crossing changes what you can compute.</span></p><p><span>That threshold also tells you where the physics pays off first, and his answer is narrower than the general coverage implies. Materials science arrives first because condensed matter behaviour maps naturally onto these systems, with small molecule chemistry close behind, while</span><a href="https://deepengineering.net/p/materials-science-first-real-quantum-value"><span> optimization, cryptography, and machine learning all wait on thousands of logical qubits</span></a><span>.</span></p><p><span>So the technical reading is straightforward. When a new result publishes, work out its encoding ratio and its code distance before you compare it to anything, since those two numbers determine what the machine tolerates and the logical qubit count does not. And when a roadmap updates, separate the engineering milestones from the scientific dependencies underneath them and check which unsolved physics the far dates rest on. Then put the effort into</span><a href="https://deepengineering.net/p/boolean-thinking-barrier-quantum-adoption"><span> building quantum intuition inside your own team</span></a><span>, because recognizing the high dimensional structure in your own problems transfers whichever architecture crosses the threshold first.</span></p><div><hr></div><h2>In case you missed</h2><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;8bf6bfb3-d6d4-4a75-970d-968c07e34b7d&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;How to tell genuine quantum progress from hype, why qubit count misleads, where the technology delivers value first, and how a classical developer starts.<br />&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;md&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Quantum Computing Beyond the Hype with Sebastian Hassinger&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:427210082,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Saqib Jan&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;/localhost&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/997a788a-cd78-4f84-9b3b-c72ab6dc0153_1008x1008.jpeg&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:null},{&quot;id&quot;:535827458,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Sebastian Hassinger&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Author of The New Quantum Era book and host of The New Quantum Era podcast.&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/4a70390e-d1ad-4e61-8e13-23bc47b2a921_144x144.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:true,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:null}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2026-08-05T19:56:08.385Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8d9f9908-0a93-4cd0-8e54-31f3e5f29800_1920x1080.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://deepengineering.net/p/quantum-computing-beyond-the-hype-sebastian-hassinger&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:&quot;Interviews&quot;,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:209966044,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:1,&quot;comment_count&quot;:0,&quot;publication_id&quot;:1729053,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Packt Deep Engineering&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!H5BJ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F736bc1ee-d689-497e-83a8-7d9bf9022eb9_600x600.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><div><hr></div><h2>&#128736;&#65039; Tool of the Week</h2><p><a href="https://github.com/quantumlib/Stim"><span>Stim</span></a><span> is an open source stabilizer circuit simulator maintained under Google&#8217;s quantumlib organisation, built for analysing quantum error correction circuits at speed.</span></p><p><strong><span>Highlights</span></strong></p><ul><li><p><span>Derives a circuit&#8217;s actual code distance instead of relying on the number a vendor publishes.</span></p></li><li><p><span>Turns a noisy circuit into a detector error model ready to configure matching-based decoders.</span></p></li><li><p><span>Samples circuits with thousands of qubits and millions of operations at kilohertz rates.</span></p></li><li><p><span>Installs as a Python package and also runs as a C++ library or a command line tool.</span></p></li></ul><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://github.com/quantumlib/Stim&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Learn more about Stim&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://github.com/quantumlib/Stim"><span>Learn more about Stim</span></a></p><div><hr></div><h2><strong>&#128206; Tech Briefs</strong></h2><ul><li><p><a href="https://claude.com/blog/claude-enterprise-inference-hooks"><span>Anthropic ships inference hooks for Claude Enterprise</span></a><span> - Governed prompts now route to customer security servers before inference, centralizing DLP across Claude Enterprise surfaces.</span></p></li><li><p><a href="https://openai.com/index/advancing-the-price-performance-frontier-with-gpt-5-6/"><span>OpenAI cuts GPT-5.6 prices and adds Fast mode</span></a><span> - Luna and Terra get lower API pricing, while Sol Fast mode offers 2.5&#215; speed at 2&#215; cost.</span></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.dwavequantum.com/company/newsroom/press-release/d-wave-and-nasdaq-verafin-announce-agreement-for-quantum-computing-application-development/"><span>D-Wave and Nasdaq Verafin agree a quantum proof of concept for financial crime detection</span></a><span> - Nasdaq Verafin will test D-Wave quantum-hybrid workflows on hundreds of financial-crime signals and network relationships.</span></p></li><li><p><a href="https://docs.cloud.google.com/sql/docs/postgres/release-notes"><span>Cloud SQL makes PSC reconciliation default</span></a><span> - New or newly enabled PSC instances now close existing connections after project removal from allowed lists.</span></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.paloaltonetworks.com/blog/2026/08/prisma-airs-unified-data-protection-for-claude/"><span>Palo Alto Networks integrates Prisma AIRS with Claude Enterprise</span></a><span> - </span>Prisma AIRS can inspect Claude prompts before inference, applying existing DLP policies across Claude Enterprise surfaces.</p></li></ul><div><hr></div><div class="callout-block" data-callout="true"><p><strong>&#128227; 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